[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?

[Mattapally Technologies]

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On Sunday, June 4, 2023, Matt Harris <matt at netfire.net> wrote:

> Matt Harris​
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> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:37 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If there are not enough incentives already let's create more then. We, as
>> a community in a bottom up process as responsible for creating them based
>> on what is right and fair to most people.
>>
>> Use the excuse that the broker market is happing is not enough to try
>> pretend things like leasing is a correct thing. It is not and will never
>> be, despite the need some may have. It is fundamentally wrong allow assign
>> addresses to those who can pay more rather than necessarily to those who
>> justify for them.
>>
>> We, as a community can adjust the rules in order to create more
>> incentives for unused spaces to be returned to ARIN so it can reassign to
>> those who really justify and will use them to build real Internet, based on
>> fair and neutral rules not just to speculate and profit from it.
>> We can have all the basis to support ARIN legally to revoke unused space
>> that to be returned therefore if it is not in use (being leased for
>> example) then it must be returned.
>>
>> Doesn't matter if that ended up happing here and there. If that is
>> morally wrong, a distrotion to the system and should not been done then any
>> necessary policy to support ARIN to revoke addresses where necessary and
>> reassign to those who really justify should be created for that.
>> We cannot prentend that is fine just because some a minority still
>> beleive it should be allowed to profit from something someone doesn't own
>> and that is in need for others to fulfil its main propose and build
>> Internet.
>>
>> Fernando
>> ssues.
>>
>
> Hey Fernando,
> I'm interested in hearing what sort of things we as a community could do
> to create incentives to return v4 space to the RIRs. Right now, there's
> essentially none, but I don't have any good ideas here myself. As far ad
> adjusting rules to allow ARIN to simply reclaim space at will, absent
> egregious misbehavior, I think this creates a huge minefield of potential
> issues. Should ARIN revoke a /24 that's being used in such a way that only
> a single address is in use? What if the organization only needs a single
> anycast endpoint and they're using that /24 for that purpose? How do you
> decide when and where to simply revoke an LIR's allocations or an
> end-user's direct assignments? This is probably also a legal minefield in
> addition to being an ethical/moral minefield.
>
> - mdh
>
>
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