[arin-ppml] Sections 6.5.1.a and 6.5.1.b - More section 6 Potential simplifications from the NRPM Working Group

[Martin Hannigan]

I think one or the other would be fine in light of the other comments.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:01 PM Brian Jones <bjones at vt.edu> wrote:

> Thank you for the input Martin. Do you feel strongly about changing from
> LIR to ISP, or would you be okay either way as long as the definition is
> clear that they are interchangeable? Thank you again for the feedback and
> discussion points, they are very much appreciated.
>
>
> Brian Jones
> ARIN Advisory Council (NRPM *Working Group*)
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> On Dec 5, 2023, at 8:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 18:11 John Santos <john at egh.com> wrote:
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>> I agree with Dale (I think). ISPs do a lot more than just register
>> Internet
>> addresses, but their interaction with ARIN and the NRPM is under their
>> function
>> as an Internet Registry (allocating and registering addresses for their
>> customers), so they are a special case of LIR.  If the term LIR is used
>> most
>> commonly by other regions and their definition of LIR is similar to
>> ARIN's, then
>> I think "LIR" should be used in the NRPM, even if it requires more
>> single-point
>> changes.
>>
>
> ISPs assign “to” their customers, but semantics.
>
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>> If everyone agrees that the terms ISP and LIR, as used in the NRPM, are
>> equivalent, then substituting one for the other is a purely editorial
>> change,
>> not a policy change.
>>
>
> Staff or engineering also seems to equate LIR with ISP and vice versa.
> It’s noted on the web tool when requesting v4 or v6 resources as “LIR/ISP”
>
> In order for it not to be perceived as a policy change ISP seems to be the
> right term. On a per ARIN region per ASN basis (individual network vs.
> address holdings volume implying international) I believe most network
> operators in North America don’t use the LIR acronym at all. If it wasn’t a
> cultural change I’d agree with you re: the terms being the same. However,
> it’s more confusing to redact ISP than LIR. When examining section 10,
> there are  also no conflicts since neither term is used. Other than global
> policy, I don’t think it’s terrible necessary to be “similar” to the other
> regions. This particular issue doesn’t seem that important.
>
> I’m +1 removing LIR.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> -M<
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