[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended
Fernando Frediani
fhfrediani at gmail.com
Tue Sep 13 08:51:47 EDT 2022
Hello Martin
Why does it matter for the discussion of this proposal here in ARIN to
follow its normal way ?
It has been clarified already the intention is not to present it as a
Global Policy and other proposals have been presented in other RIRs
already but not all, so if it doesn't happen in all 5 it doesn't really
matter for it to reach consensus in ARIN alone. Also even if it is
presented in all five each one follow its own process and it may reach
consensus in one but not in another.
Hope it helps to clarify it.
Fernando
Em 13/09/2022 09:44, Martin Hannigan escreveu:
>
> Sorry to harp on this, but procedurally, for your reference below.
>
> https://www.arin.net/vault/announcements/2009/20090622.html
> https://www.arin.net/vault/about_us/ac/ac2011_0128.html
>
> You can search ["globally coordinated policy" ARIN ] in your favorite
> search tool and find many references over the years regarding
> "globally coordinated" policy, policy which may fit for all RIR's but
> isn't a suitable action the IANA can apply to RIR's.
>
> You said this:
>
> "In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized either and
> since it is not explicit in their policy manuals either, this proposal
> will be presented as well."
>
> Which still isn't clear on what your intention is. If you intend to
> submit this same policy to all five RIR regions its all good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:10 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
> <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>
> I don’t think there is such thing (formally speaking), and is not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 12/9/22, 14:24, "Martin Hannigan" <hannigan at gmail.com> escribió:
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 08:02 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
> <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> No, is not a global policy, they are only meant for IANA-RIR
> matters.
>
> We just mention what is the actual situation in other RIRs,
> also because we have submitted similar policies, but as we all
> know, it may happen in one region and not in others.
>
> A globally coordinated policy is one intended to be adopted
> similarly across the 5 RIR’s. A global policy is intended for
> application to the 5 RIRs by the IANA.
>
> Is it either? It certainly does sound like it is the former.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> El 12/9/22, 13:55, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Martin Hannigan"
> <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net en nombre de hannigan at gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
> Very confusing. If this is to proceed it needs to be
> substantially boiled down to what it may be intended to mean.
>
> However, is the author saying this is to be a globally
> coordinated policy?
>
> “ In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized
> either and since it is not explicit in their policy manuals
> either, this proposal will be presented as well.”
>
> This should be clearer. There are subtle implications like
> expecting closely aligned text across regions.
>
> Before expending tons of energy on a coordinated policy, early
> feedback is a good predictor of outcome and shouldn't be taken
> lightly.
>
> Thanks —
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:29 ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
> On 18 August 2022, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
> "ARIN-prop-308: Leasing Not Intended" as a Draft Policy.
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9 is below and can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2022_9/
>
> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML.
> The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the
> conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of
> Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy
> Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>
> * Technically Sound
>
> * Supported by the Community
>
> The PDP can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found
> at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>
> Regards,
>
> Sean Hopkins
>
> Senior Policy Analyst
>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended
>
> Problem Statement:
>
> “IPv6 Policy (section 6.4.1.) explicitly mention that
> address space is not a property. This is also stated in
> the RSA (section 7.) for all the Internet Number Resources.
>
> However, with the spirit of the IPv4 allocation policies
> being the same, there is not an equivalent text for IPv4,
> neither for ASNs.
>
> Further to that, policies for IPv4 and IPv6 allocations,
> clearly state that allocations are based on justified need
> and not solely on a predicted customer base. Similar text
> can be found in the section related to Transfers (8.1).
>
> Consequently, resources not only aren’t a property, but
> also, aren’t allocated for leasing purposes, only for
> justified need of the resource holder and its directly
> connected customers.
>
> Therefore, and so that there are no doubts about it, it
> should be made explicit in the NRPM that the Internet
> Resources should not be leased “per se”, but only as part
> of a direct connectivity service. At the same time,
> section 6.4.1. should be moved to the top of the NRPM
> (possibly to section 1. “Principles and Goals of the
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)”.”
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Actual Text (to be replaced by New Text):
>
> 6.4.1. Address Space Not to be Considered Property
>
> It is contrary to the goals of this document and is not in
> the interests of the Internet community as a whole for
> address space to be considered freehold property.
>
> The policies in this document are based upon the
> understanding that globally-unique IPv6 unicast address
> space is allocated/assigned for use rather than owned.
>
> New Text
>
> 1.5. Internet Number Resources Not to be Considered Property
>
> It is contrary to the goals of this document and is not in
> the interests of the Internet community as a whole for
> address space to be considered freehold property.
>
> The policies in this document are based upon the
> understanding that Internet Number Resources are
> allocated/assigned for use rather than owned.
>
> ARIN allocate and assign Internet resources in a
> delegation scheme, with an annual validity, renewable as
> long as the requirements specified by the policies in
> force at the time of renewal are met, and especially the
> justification of the need.
>
> Therefore, the resources can’t be considered property.
>
> The justification of the need, generically in the case of
> addresses, implies their need to directly connect
> customers. Therefore, the leasing of addresses is not
> considered acceptable, nor does it justify the need, if
> they are not part of a set of services based, at least, on
> direct connectivity.
>
> Even in cases of networks not connected to the Internet,
> the leasing of addresses is not admissible, since said
> sites can request direct assignments from ARIN and even in
> the case of IPv4, use private addresses or arrange transfers.
>
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>
> Situation in other Regions:
>
> In other RIRs, the leasing of addresses is not authorized
> either and since it is not explicit in their policy
> manuals either, this proposal will be presented as well.
>
> Nothing is currently mentioned in RIPE about this and it
> is not acceptable as a justification of the need. In
> AFRINIC, APNIC and LACNIC, the staff has confirmed that
> address leasing is not considered as valid for the
> justification.
>
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