[arin-ppml] Transferring Waiting List Space - Feedback Requested

Mon Nov 14 18:57:33 EST 2022

Yes, but think about the streamlining of section 4....

All returned addresses go back the the waiting list.

The waiting list gives one /24 to each member in need who has no resources.

I could rewrite that section in 5 lines. ;-)

---- On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:53:30 -0500 Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote ---

Feels like an artificial market liquidity constraint. Antitrust review? How do we gauge fairness to small operators as well as those with big capital? Far more complicated than it appears. IYKYK.

Warm regards,

-M<

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:36 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

Conceptually, as an abstract idea, I have no problem with restricting the waiting list to newcomers only. However, the implementation of such a restriction could prove problematic; What is a true newcomer? How do we prevent gaming of this restriction?

The current 60-month restriction on transfers is already functionally indefinite, at least in my option.

Finally, the waiting list was never intended as a viable option to meet a network's need for resources; its purpose in policy is to ensure ARIN has a mechanism to distribute any IPv4 resources that are reclaimed or otherwise become available to ARIN.

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:09 PM Fernando Frediani <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:

Then need to detail and analyze what sound unreasonable in
      changing 5 years period to indefinite.

Reducing the request size to anything smaller than an /22 is
      giving a such small and useless space that will probably make no
      difference to whoever receives it. A /22 is already a very small
      amount (almost symbolic) but at least gives the ability to a newer
      organizations to work with something, get into the market,
      innovate, reach some proper size and then invest in different
      technologies to make better usage of few IPv4 and deploy IPv6
      properly in order to keep existing in the market. Plus giving out
      /24-only to organizations in the waiting list would contribute
      even more to increase the size of the routing table with very
      little gain.

A change in the waiting-list rules that would be certainly be
      welcome is restrict it only to newcomers that have no IPv4 space
      at all. Those who already have had already enough time to learn
      live with what they have and organize themselves to either do IPv4
      transfers and deploy IPv6 in order to reduce its dependency
      whenever possible.

Fernando

On 14/11/2022 19:53, David Farmer via
      ARIN-PPML wrote:

I reviewed the Policy Implementation and
          Experience Report presented at ARIN 50; 

https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruDSG32D0M&list=PL726kQ53RX6i-x05T2JLckh59gWtLs1TR&t=5569s

https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/day1_transcript/#policy-implementation-and-experience-report

I don't support any changes to the transfer provisions of
            the waiting list. The current transfer provisions seem
            reasonable to me.

However, if I were going to support any changes to the
            waiting list, I would support reducing the request size from
            /22 to /24.

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:42
            PM WOOD Alison * DAS <mailto:Alison.WOOD at das.oregon.gov>
            wrote:

Hello!

The Policy Experience Report
                    Working Group has been working on the Policy
                    Experience Report from ARIN 50.  I would appreciate
                    your feedback on the following issue regarding
                    transferring waitlist space.

The current wait list criteria
                    is:

Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings.

May request up to a /22.

Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4
                      transfer.

Received ip space is eligible for needs-based
                      transfer after five years.

The Policy Experience Working
                    Group would like your feedback on a potential policy
                    that would restrict the transfer of IP space that
                    has been obtained from the waiting list.  In other
                    words, any IP address space received from the
                    waiting list would be ineligible for transfer
                    indefinitely and encouraged to be returned to ARIN
                    if not in use.  This policy would be specific to
                    transfers and not M & A’s.

The working group appreciates
                    your feedback.

Thank you!

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