[arin-ppml] Transferring Waiting List Space - Feedback Requested

Mon Nov 14 18:53:30 EST 2022

Feels like an artificial market liquidity constraint. Antitrust review? How
do we gauge fairness to small operators as well as those with big capital?
Far more complicated than it appears. IYKYK.

Warm regards,

-M<

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 6:36 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

> Conceptually, as an abstract idea, I have no problem with restricting the
> waiting list to newcomers only. However, the implementation of such a
> restriction could prove problematic; What is a true newcomer? How do we
> prevent gaming of this restriction?
>
> The current 60-month restriction on transfers is already functionally
> indefinite, at least in my option.
>
> Finally, the waiting list was never intended as a viable option to meet a
> network's need for resources; its purpose in policy is to ensure ARIN has a
> mechanism to distribute any IPv4 resources that are reclaimed or
> otherwise become available to ARIN.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:09 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Then need to detail and analyze what sound unreasonable in changing 5
>> years period to indefinite.
>>
>> Reducing the request size to anything smaller than an /22 is giving a
>> such small and useless space that will probably make no difference to
>> whoever receives it. A /22 is already a very small amount (almost symbolic)
>> but at least gives the ability to a newer organizations to work with
>> something, get into the market, innovate, reach some proper size and then
>> invest in different technologies to make better usage of few IPv4 and
>> deploy IPv6 properly in order to keep existing in the market. Plus giving
>> out /24-only to organizations in the waiting list would contribute even
>> more to increase the size of the routing table with very little gain.
>>
>> A change in the waiting-list rules that would be certainly be welcome is
>> restrict it only to newcomers that have no IPv4 space at all. Those who
>> already have had already enough time to learn live with what they have and
>> organize themselves to either do IPv4 transfers and deploy IPv6 in order to
>> reduce its dependency whenever possible.
>>
>> Fernando
>> On 14/11/2022 19:53, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>>
>> I reviewed the Policy Implementation and Experience Report presented at
>> ARIN 50;
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruDSG32D0M&list=PL726kQ53RX6i-x05T2JLckh59gWtLs1TR&t=5569s
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/day1_transcript/#policy-implementation-and-experience-report
>>
>> I don't support any changes to the transfer provisions of the waiting
>> list. The current transfer provisions seem reasonable to me.
>>
>> However, if I were going to support any changes to the waiting list, I
>> would support reducing the request size from /22 to /24.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM WOOD Alison * DAS <
>> Alison.WOOD at das.oregon.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Policy Experience Report Working Group has been working on the
>>> Policy Experience Report from ARIN 50.  I would appreciate your feedback on
>>> the following issue regarding transferring waitlist space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The current wait list criteria is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    - Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings.
>>>    - May request up to a /22.
>>>    - Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer.
>>>    - Received ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer after five
>>>    years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Policy Experience Working Group would like your feedback on a
>>> potential policy that would restrict the transfer of IP space that has been
>>> obtained from the waiting list.  In other words, any IP address space
>>> received from the waiting list would be ineligible for transfer
>>> indefinitely and encouraged to be returned to ARIN if not in use.  This
>>> policy would be specific to transfers and not M & A’s.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The working group appreciates your feedback.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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