[arin-ppml] Revised and Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Permit IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilization for Future Allocations

[John Curran]

On 21 Mar 2022, at 7:29 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:

On 21 Mar 2022, at 7:13 PM, Jay Hennigan <jay at impulse.net<mailto:jay at impulse.net>> wrote:

On 3/21/22 16:03, Mike Burns wrote:
Hi Martin,
We once saw an ipv4 block included among hardware as part of a third party lease.
That happened years ago and really was a one-off. Generally nobody will recognize IPv4 blocks as assets.
That leaves leasing-out addresses by incumbent address holders as the only effective financing mechanism.

I'm curious if ARIN has put any thought into how encouraging leasing will affect the practice of spammers and other bad actors leasing IPv4 space, turning it into a DNSBL wasteland, lather, rinse, repeat.

Jay -

There’s often quite a bit of work involved in getting a prefix off most blocklists, so the burden will be fall to the lessor to explain why a given recently-polluted prefix should be removed and won’t just be let out to the same (or materially similar) party – i.e. some folks may get away with that once, but it’s very likely to work a second time.

My bad - that should have read:  "it’s very _unlikely_ to work a second time."

Apologies,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


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