[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-3: Remove Officer Attestation Requirement for 8.5.5

[Sylvain Baya]

Dear ARIN-PPML,

Le samedi 25 juin 2022, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> a écrit :

> Easy enough to check for yourself…
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Hi Owen,
Thanks for your email, brother :-)

What i was asking for is more the practical context...



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> https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/office_acknowledgement.pdf
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> The attestation form is at the link above.
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Well received, with thanks!


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> No mention of perjury,
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Exactly! as is, there is still a room for fraudsters :-/
But ARIN has a valuable experience in dealing with
these kind of situations...i think :-/



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> but most business contracts aren’t signed under
>  penalty of perjury.
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Probably a good reason to explore the benefit of
that missing tool?


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> You don’t really need to sign under penalty of perjury to put yourself on
> the hook for civil and criminal fraud liability if you
> signed the contract with intent to deceive in order to acquire something
> of value.
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You are, absolutely, right! imho...
Many thanks, for this interesting clarification, Owen.

If you are also right for any other; then it confirms
the usefulness of this currently missing part of the
tool ;-)

...add it and you keep away most of the fraudsters!

Shalom,
--sb.



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> Owen
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> On Jun 24, 2022, at 19:40 , Sylvain Baya <abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear ARIN-PPML,
>
> Hope this email finds you in good health!
> Please find my comments below, inline...
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> Le vendredi 24 juin 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> a
> écrit :
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>> In message <CAGbMP+j5zR+-DFubVh6RQOomfpMeMBfes0NmnTm0_nUng2qwgg at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Matthew Wilder <matthew.wilder at telus.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Would-be fraudsters on the transfer market would
>> >now face significant cost to execute a transfer, and presumably, an
>> >organization operating in bad faith could easily provide officer
>> >attestation.
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>> Are these attestations signed "under penality of perjury"?
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> John, could you, please, take also that question?
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> Thanks for asking, Ronald :-)
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> <quote>
> "declaration under penalty of perjury
> A statement that has been signed by a declarant
> who will be found guilty of perjury if the facts
> declared in the statement are shown to be
> materially false."
> </quote>
> __
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/declaration_under_penalty_of
> _perjury#:~:text=declaration%20under%20penalty%20of%
> 20perjury,shown%20to%20be%20materially%20false.
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> It would certainly add more security to the process.
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> Thus, imho, the policy manual should be keeped as
>  is or only improved to add more protection against
>  potential *reservation* plans.
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> Shalom,
> --sb.
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