Dear ARIN-PPML,<br><br>Le samedi 25 juin 2022, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Easy enough to check for yourself…<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Owen,</div><div>Thanks for your email, brother :-)</div><div><br></div><div>What i was asking for is more the practical context...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/office_acknowledgement.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about/<wbr>corporate/agreements/office_<wbr>acknowledgement.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The attestation form is at the link above.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well received, with thanks!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>No mention of perjury, </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly! as is, there is still a room for fraudsters :-/</div><div>But ARIN has a valuable experience in dealing with </div><div>these kind of situations...i think :-/</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>but most business contracts aren’t signed under</div><div> penalty of perjury.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Probably a good reason to explore the benefit of </div><div>that missing tool?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>You don’t really need to sign under penalty of perjury to put yourself on the hook for civil and criminal fraud liability if you</div><div>signed the contract with intent to deceive in order to acquire something of value.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>You are, absolutely, right! imho...</div><div>Many thanks, for this interesting clarification, Owen.</div><div><br></div><div>If you are also right for any other; then it confirms </div><div>the usefulness of this currently missing part of the </div><div>tool ;-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>...add it and you keep away most of the fraudsters!</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 24, 2022, at 19:40 , Sylvain Baya <<a href="mailto:abscoco@gmail.com" target="_blank">abscoco@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Dear ARIN-PPML,<div><br></div><div>Hope this email finds you in good health!</div><div>Please find my comments below, inline...</div><div><br>Le vendredi 24 juin 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette <<a href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com" target="_blank">rfg@tristatelogic.com</a>> a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In message <<a href="mailto:CAGbMP+j5zR+-DFubVh6RQOomfpMeMBfes0NmnTm0_nUng2qwgg@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAGbMP+j5zR+-DFubVh6RQOomfpMe<wbr>MBfes0NmnTm0_nUng2qwgg@mail.gm<wbr>ail.com</a>><br>
Matthew Wilder <<a href="mailto:matthew.wilder@telus.com" target="_blank">matthew.wilder@telus.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>Would-be fraudsters on the transfer market would<br>
>now face significant cost to execute a transfer, and presumably, an<br>
>organization operating in bad faith could easily provide officer<br>
>attestation.<br>
<br>
Are these attestations signed "under penality of perjury"?<br>
<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>John, could you, please, take also that question?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for asking, Ronald :-)</div><div><br></div></div><div><quote></div><div>"declaration under penalty of perjury </div><div>A statement that has been signed by a declarant </div><div>who will be found guilty of perjury if the facts </div><div>declared in the statement are shown to be </div><div>materially false." </div><div></quote></div><div>__</div><div><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/declaration_under_penalty_of_perjury#:~:text=declaration%20under%20penalty%20of%20perjury,shown%20to%20be%20materially%20false" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/we<wbr>x/declaration_under_penalty_of<wbr>_perjury#:~:text=declaration%<wbr>20under%20penalty%20of%<wbr>20perjury,shown%20to%20be%<wbr>20materially%20false</a>.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It would certainly add more security to the process.</div><div><br></div><div>Thus, imho, the policy manual should be keeped as</div><div> is or only improved to add more protection against</div><div> potential *reservation* plans.</div><div><br></div><div>Shalom,</div><div>--sb.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
[...]<br><br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote><br><br>-- <br><p>Best Regards !<br>__<br>baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<<a href="https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure">https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure</a>><br>Subscribe to Mailing List: <<a href="https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/">https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/</a>><br>__<br>#LASAINTEBIBLE|#Romains15:33«Que LE #DIEU de #Paix soit avec vous tous! #Amen!»<br>#MaPrière est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement<br>«Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)<br><br></p>