[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

[John Curran]

Paul - 

I am not certain which John you reference (myself or John Sweeting) but I do not believe that your 
statement to be correct, and expect that you are summarizing a somewhat more extensive conversation. 

Number resources can certainly be part of an estate and go through probate – this is particularly true 
when associated with an active business that was operated as a sole proprietorship.  For number 
resources that were not identified as part of an estate at probate and have been dormant since, it is 
possible that ARIN will seek to reclaim them for the community if it is brought to our attention that they 
were issued to an organization that no longer exists due to passing of the proprietor. 

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


> On 25 Jul 2022, at 11:45 AM, Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> I was told by John in person that heirs/successors had no legal rights to legacy resources. 
> This was also repeated by ARIN staff at the time.
> They would be automatically recovered on death.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Woodfield" <chris at semihuman.com>
> To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com>, "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 10:41:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
> 
> I’d expect that in the case of an assignee subject to the RSA/LRSA, this would be a self-correcting issue - if the assignee or its successor does not pay their registration fee, the resources would eventually reclaimed by ARIN and eventually allocated via the waiting list. Other resources, however, could easily stagnate and require remediation work to either connect to the legal heir of the defunct assignee organization; just like biological persons, there should be some effort to locate potential heirs/successor organizations before officially declaring the resource abandoned. To my knowledge, no such process exists.
> 
> -C
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 8:34 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Please allow me to ask a different but related question.
>> 
>> As I understand it, all ARIN members are obligated, on an annual basis,
>> to pay a fee to ARIN for their membership, and also some additional fees,
>> again annually, based upon their assigned number resources, and more
>> specifically, based upon the number thereof.
>> 
>> If any of that is not correct, then I hope and trust that someone will
>> gently correct me.
>> 
>> Assuming that it is correct however, is there anything within either the
>> RSAs or within the NRPM that obliges member entities to make these annual
>> payments to ARIN themselves, directly?  Or may some third party make some
>> such payments on behalf of, say, some specific member entity?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> rfg
>> 
>> 
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