[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies

[Fernando Frediani]

Yes agree it is not possible, but in real practice world it is not 
reasonable someone with such a large chunk IPv4 address at this stage 
keep using them for internal proposes, although I hardly believe that is 
the case. The reasons may be other which I don't want to speculate here 
as I have don't evidence.
Also it is correct ARIN community never developed a policy in that way, 
but when that was discussed in the past maybe the scenario was 
significantly different and now a days there are growing issue due to 
IPv4 exhaustion to everybody and the feeling I have is that there are 
still large holders with idle resources for years keeping them for 
nothing. In my view that is not a reasonable thing for the entire 
Internet community. What good does it to do Internet for now or even in 
long term ?

Whatever the reason is they should not remain idle and at this stage and 
keep accepting the 'acquired rights' to leave things as they are does 
not good to the Internet community.
I recognize it is not easy discussion to have here or even a policy to 
reach consensus, but as mentioned in the email thread the community 
still holds that right.

Regarding justifications I still find it hard for a entire organization 
or even a worldwide company that is not from the telecommunications or 
hosting sector to be able to justify the need for over 16 milling 
individual IPv4 addresses, even if they assigned an individual address 
to each Desktop of they employees.

Fernando

Em 08/08/2022 08:50, John Curran escreveu:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2022, at 11:11 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is positive that many of these legacy holder returned some of 
>> their unneeded IPv4 resources in the past. However I personally 
>> believe it is something negative that there is still a fair amount of 
>> these addresses unused and not even announced to the DFZ as if they 
>> were waiting for some big Internet event to happen.
>>
> It is not possible to infer that resources are unused simply from the 
> fact that they are “not announced to DFZ”...
>>
>> I really don't mind Legacy Holders to keep addresses that were 
>> assigned to them ages ago as long they have a justification for using 
>> them.
>>
> The ARIN community has never developed or adopted any policy to the 
> effect that legacy resources
> holders must justify their resources in order to keep them, so this 
> should not be a matter of concern.
>>
>> In the other hand I am unable to believe any organization in the 
>> entire world that is not a Telecommunications or a Hosting Company is 
>> able to technically justify more and a single /8.
>>
> I will note that very large organizations have networking needs that 
> rival or even exceed that of many
> telecommunications firms.
>
> Thanks,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>