[arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN region

[Fernando Frediani]

Hi John

I don't think anyone discussing this thread is much concerned about 
pricing of services between ARIN participants and their customers 
really. I am personally not. The confusion may have come from the way 
Owen have put the text of this proposal.
What we are discussing so far is only about a proposal to have an 
appropriate language to ban Leasing of IP Addresses by LIRs.

Hope this helps to clarify

Regards
Fernando

Em 22/09/2021 14:48, John Curran escreveu:
> Fernando -
>
> Michael was 100% correct - do not engage in discussions of pricing or 
> other terms of service between ARIN participants and their customers. 
> Doing so is prohibited by US antitrust law and ARIN will not be a 
> party to facilitating such discussions.
>
> Participants who attempt to violate applicable law in this manner will 
> be expressly removed from ARIN mailing lists in order to protect the 
> remainder of the community that is able to participate properly.
>
> Thanks,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Fernando Frediani 
>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I believe maybe Michael didn't understand well the matter fully or 
>> got only part of it.
>> Probably what caused more confusion was how Owen put the part "No 
>> signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage in a 
>> recurring charge for addresses or a differentiated service charge 
>> based on the number if addresses issued to a customer.". That could 
>> be dubious in the sense that a LIR could not charge administrative 
>> fees when they assign addresses to their connectivity customers.
>>
>> A simple: "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to 
>> engage issuing addresses to non-conectivity customers. Addresses must 
>> be provided strictly as part of a contract for connectivity services."
>>
>> I think Owen tried to put in a way to strengthen his point of view 
>> the LIR lease addresses and by that text they would not permitted to 
>> do even for connectivity customers.Simplifying it would achieve the 
>> objective in the subject without necessarily change the usual way 
>> LIRs allocate addresses to their *connectivity customers*.
>>
>> Regards
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 22/09/2021 13:00, Isaiah Olson wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I appreciate you clarifying this issue. If this policy proposal is 
>>> considered out of scope, I would ask why Mike's policy proposal to 
>>> explicitly allow leasing is considered in-scope for this PDP? If it 
>>> is ARIN's position that it "does not impose any such restrictions on 
>>> trade or pricing" with regards to pricing structure, why does ARIN 
>>> differentiate justified need for transfers (trade) based on the 
>>> absence or presence of connectivity services?
>>>
>>> I am happy to dispatch with any discussions that are not relevant or 
>>> allowed, but I think that your post requires additional 
>>> clarification of what topics are not permissible since many of the 
>>> issues you have raised as out of scope are germane to other policies 
>>> under discussion.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Isaiah
>>>
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