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<p>Hi John<br>
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I don't think anyone discussing this thread is much concerned
about pricing of services between ARIN participants and their
customers really. I am personally not. The confusion may have come
from the way Owen have put the text of this proposal.<br>
What we are discussing so far is only about a proposal to have an
appropriate language to ban Leasing of IP Addresses by LIRs. <br>
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<p>Hope this helps to clarify<br>
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<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 22/09/2021 14:48, John Curran
escreveu:<br>
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Fernando -
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<div>Michael was 100% correct - do not engage in discussions of
pricing or other terms of service between ARIN participants and
their customers. Doing so is prohibited by US antitrust law and
ARIN will not be a party to facilitating such discussions.</div>
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<div>Participants who attempt to violate applicable law in this
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order to protect the remainder of the community that is able to
participate properly.</div>
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Thanks,<br>
<div dir="ltr">/John</div>
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<div dir="ltr">John Curran</div>
<div dir="ltr">President and CEO</div>
<div dir="ltr">American Registry for Internet Numbers</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Fernando
Frediani <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com"><fhfrediani@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>I believe maybe Michael didn't understand well the matter
fully or got only part of it.<br>
Probably what caused more confusion was how Owen put the
part "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy
to engage in a recurring charge for addresses or a
differentiated service charge based on the number if
addresses issued to a customer.". That could be dubious in
the sense that a LIR could not charge administrative fees
when they assign addresses to their connectivity
customers.</p>
<p>A simple: "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by
policy to engage issuing addresses to non-conectivity
customers. Addresses must be provided strictly as part of
a contract for connectivity services."</p>
<p>I think Owen tried to put in a way to <span
class="VIiyi" lang="en"><span class="JLqJ4b ChMk0b"
data-language-for-alternatives="en"
data-language-to-translate-into="pt"
data-phrase-index="0"><span>strengthen
</span></span></span>his point of view the LIR lease
addresses and by that text they would not permitted to do
even for connectivity customers.Simplifying it would
achieve the objective in the subject without necessarily
change the usual way LIRs allocate addresses to their
*connectivity customers*.</p>
<p>Regards<br>
Fernando<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/09/2021 13:00, Isaiah
Olson wrote:<br>
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Hi Michael, <br>
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I appreciate you clarifying this issue. If this policy
proposal is considered out of scope, I would ask why
Mike's policy proposal to explicitly allow leasing is
considered in-scope for this PDP? If it is ARIN's position
that it "does not impose any such restrictions on trade or
pricing" with regards to pricing structure, why does ARIN
differentiate justified need for transfers (trade) based
on the absence or presence of connectivity services?
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I am happy to dispatch with any discussions that are not
relevant or allowed, but I think that your post requires
additional clarification of what topics are not
permissible since many of the issues you have raised as
out of scope are germane to other policies under
discussion. <br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
Isaiah <br>
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