[arin-ppml] [E] Re: Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN region

[Middleton, Stephen R]

Hello Owen,

"...effectively prevent all LIRs from engaging in leasing transactions or
(sur)charging on the basis of the number of IP number resources issued."
This should be more accurately stated as "...effectively prevent all
ARIN-based LIRs from engaging in leasing transactions or (sur)charging on
the basis of the number of IP number resources issued." Do you know if
other RIRs prevent the leasing, surcharging, or both of IP addresses? How
would 'out of region' leases be handled? What would stop a company from
transferring ARIN-based IP addresses to an RIR that allows leasing and then
engaging in that business model from that point forward?

What would prevent a company from charging a fee based on some other
datapoint; a service fee, a static configuration fee, an engineering fee,
etc., that, in effect, replaces the term 'IP Surcharge'?

I'm afraid that I must agree with Michel.  I see no effective way of
enforcing this policy, either regionally or globally.



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On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:49 PM Michel Py via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
wrote:

> > Owen DeLong wrote :
> > Policy Proposal Name: Ban IP Number Resource Leasing in the ARIN Region
>
> Besides the scope and similar issues :
>
> In utopia, I would support this.
> But in the real world, it's not realistic. ARIN would not be able to
> enforce such thing, and it may be a double-edge sword.
>
> Besides the point, let's assume that, beating impossible odds, we manage
> to amend the US constitution to ban IP leasing in the US.
> [Let's conveniently forget that it would be opposed by powerful companies
> with very deep pockets that own half of the lobbyists in town]
>
> Would it stop it ? no. We would instantly create a black market and make a
> modern-day Al Capone.
>
> Michel.
>
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