[arin-ppml] AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System

[Mary Lee Salazar]

Hello Mr. Curran.


I will reiterate Mr. Lu's statement.


*"Unless ARIN admits it has been given the justification submitted to
AFRINIC by Cloud Innovation in past years, we don't think it is within
ARIN’s mandate to comment whether it is being used for the same purpose or
not. John, please clarify, have you received the justification material we
submitted to AFRINIC? Do you have any inside knowledge about it? We would
be very keen to know if AFRINIC has disclosed our private data to a third
party in this process in violation of the very agreement they (unjustly)
accuse us of breaching."*


This is my particular question. I don't know if you have already clarified
this, but please enlighten us.


I appreciate your concern about making sure the ARIN community has access
to the facts of the situation and understands ARIN's position, but I
believe that your representation of the facts is unbalanced. I also have to
agree with Christian, in which you used an inappropriate channel, which is
a mailing list dedicated to policy discussions of ARIN, to 'inform' and
unilaterally persuade the community to take a side in this litigation.


Respectfully,


ML

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 8:46 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> Christian -
>
> Our statement regarding "AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number
> Registry System” is accurate to the best of my knowledge, and whether Mr
> Lu’s actions detailed therein "put him and his business in such a bad
> light” is not my concern – my concern is making sure that the ARIN
> community has access to the facts of situation and understands ARIN’s
> position.
>
> Regards,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
> On 5 Sep 2021, at 5:46 AM, Christian Orozco <chresgoro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> Thank you for your willingness to address questions that I might have.
>
> I just want to mention that I am very much aware of the article. Thus, I
> understand well the position of ARIN on this issue. There is no question on
> ARIN's support for AFRINIC and I do appreciate the concept of mutual
> support that the RIRs are upholding.  However, your statements on Mr Lu
> could be easily misinterpreted by people who have not understood well how
> CI is able to provide trusted service to millions of end-users. It seems
> unnecessary to put him and his business in such a bad light, knowing that
> you clearly mentioned as well that the community must not make
> judgements/assumptions as we are waiting for the court's decision.
>
>
> Regards,
> Christian
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 7:29 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning Christian -
>>
>> If you have a particular question about ARIN’s position on the AFRINIC
>> dispute (as delineated in the referenced article on ARIN’s web site
>> entitled "AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry
>> System”), then I’d be happy to clarify it in response to any particular
>> question you might have.   I don’t see any questions in your assertions
>> below, so there’s really nothing to respond to other than to acknowledge
>> that you are welcome to share them here and note that I find your
>> characterization fundamentally disconnected from the facts of the
>> situation.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2021, at 6:34 AM, Christian Orozco <chresgoro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I think Cloud Innovation has made it very clear that the question you and
>> a few others have raised is *sub judice*. It looks like you are
>> intervening in this lawsuit so you can give AfriNIC the technical advantage
>> even if they are in the wrong.
>>
>> Mr. Lu Heng has also made it clear to you that he is protecting his
>> users' data, to the point that he chose to give up 1 million space.
>> Unfortunately, not only have you disrespected the protection of personal
>> data, but you have also portraited his noble action as some sort of fraud.
>>
>> Moreover, in order to achieve all of this, you have extended the subject
>> of an entire mailing list, which is solely dedicated to policy discussions,
>> and which was previously restricted.
>>
>> And while you claim that you are trying to protect the global internet,
>> you seem to be in total denial of the fact that Cloud Innovation also
>> serves millions of users, and that AfriNIC has tried to stop the internet
>> connectivity for those millions of users with complete disregard of the
>> internet stability.
>>
>> In the same text, you have claimed that Cloud Innovation uses IP
>> addresses outside of the ARIN region and have continued in the next
>> paragraph that Cloud Innovation is using IP addresses in the US (i.e. ARIN
>> region). John, I think you have failed your character assassination attempt
>> in this case with your inconsistent statements and misleading words, and
>> maybe you should recognize that and move on before you lose more
>> credibility.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>
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