[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

[scott at solarnetone.org]

Hi John,

Thank you for these clarifications.  I appreciate your detailed responses 
for the edification of myself and other participants.

I am curious... would resources allocated under 4.10 be considered 
differently, or not as an asset, due to the relevant and proper 
restrictions against transfer placed upon them?

Scott

On Fri, 3 Sep 2021, John Curran wrote:

> On 3 Sep 2021, at 1:12 AM, scott at solarnetone.org wrote:
>             ...
>
>             No one is claiming anything here, everyone is paying
>             a fair market price for
>             what they are using in a scare market. Owning an
>             asset does not constitute a
>             crime.
> 
>
>       Being allocated IP addresses from a RIR does not constitute
>       ownership of an asset, under any circumstances.
> 
> 
> Scott –
>       For purposes of consideration of the nature of IP address blocks
>       in the ARIN region, it is worth noting the following – 
> 
> 1.  The rights provided to parties upon issuance of an IP address
> block from the ARIN registry can indeed be consider an “asset” of
> their estate, 
> 2.  Those rights are not "freely held", but are intimately tied to
> corresponding obligations in the implied or explicit agreement that
> was made for their issuance. 
> 3.  Courts (probate, bankruptcy, civil,...) may order disposition of
> such assets – ARIN routinely gets involved in such matters, and
> explains to the parties & courts the various requirements necessary
> for transfer in compliance with our policies. 
> 4.  We have many cases where such transfers have occurred, and have
> never had to update ARIN’s database without adherence to our policies
> and entry into an RSA by the recipient. 
> 
> I will also observe by "being issued an IP address block”, the set of
> rights received by a party is a _limited_ set of rights to the
> registration entry in the registry database.   There are other rights
> (e.g. the right to the determine the format and fields of the entire
> entry - e.g. when we add an abuse contact), the right to require
> certain portions be published publicly, etc. – these rights are held
> and administered by ARIN on behalf of the community. 
> 
> What does this have to do with policy?   The community can determine
> the policies that apply to resource holders, such as when and how they
> may be subdivided/leased/etc. The community can decide what reporting
> obligations are associated with the number resources.  ARIN will
> enforce clear policy developed by the community in this regard, but
> otherwise will simply strive to maintain a stable & secure registry
> (in order to support stable & secure Internet operations.) 
> 
> To the extent that people have specific policy proposals, please
> submit them per the following process –
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/appendix_b/
>  
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
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