[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
hostmaster at uneedus.com
hostmaster at uneedus.com
Fri Jan 15 13:56:25 EST 2021
All major operating systems and major brands of networking gear have IPv6
enabled. In fact, the latest windows server networking requires IPv6, and
features will fail if you were to turn IPv6 off.
I understand good designs can be done with IPv4 with little or no
configuration. In fact the CPE of most major ISP's today have BOTH IPv4
dhcp blocks preconfigured, as well as assignment of IPv6 to all attached
network devices by SLAAC and/or DHCPv6, leaving nearly no configuration to
set up a single node network.
Thus, if setting up a new network, it actually takes MORE work to get rid
of IPv6 to form an IPv4 only network, rather than simply using the
preconfigured setup which is dual stack.
There are already nodes on the internet that are IPv6 ONLY. This will
become more common as time goes on. Not going with the default dual stack
setup will cut your users from access to these services. Eventually we
will reach a tipping point, after which IPv4 services will start to
disappear. Also, the devices do not have to do NAT for IPv6, reducing the
load on routers. In todays world, turning on IPv6 will result in more
than half of the traffic routing via IPv6 bypassing the NAT. It also
future proofs your network.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Mark Kiwiet wrote:
> Inside/Private network space will probably always be IPv4. I don't understand why you would deal with IPv6 on the inside - you have the entire freaking
> class A of 10.0.0.0/8 to design around - and make beautiful designs as well.
>
> Unless you're running a NOC or a Web Server Farm - you really don't need more than 1 Public IP address for even 500+ private surfing endpoints. Outside of
> standard ports like TCP/25 - you can overload a single IP address with hundreds of high random ports.
>
> Right now - the biggest public IPv4 issue is waste. There are tons of public IPv4's that are not used because they are part of an overallocated customer
> block.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:51 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
> What expensive technology are you talking about? Windows has had IPv6
> since Windows 2000. Ditto with Apple or Chromebooks or any other tech
> that is commonly used in schools.
>
> Use of RFC1918 Ipv4 addresses is quite common in every school I have ever
> dealt with. Even at the university level, it is very uncommon to assign
> workstations to public IPv4 addresses, and some form of NAT is used for
> IPv4 access via common public addresses with or without a proxy.
>
> Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Jay Wendelin wrote:
>
> >
> > You would have to ask the ISP’s themselves. My Schools will not want to be involved at all nor will we want to implement new and expensive
> technologies for
> > ip6.
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> > cidimage001.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
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> > Jay Wendelin
> >
> > Chief Information Officer
> >
> > Cell: 309-657-5303
> >
> > jmw at poweredbystl.com
> >
> > cidimage002.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage003.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage004.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
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> > From: Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:36 AM
> > To: Jay Wendelin <jmw at poweredbystl.com>
> > Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
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> > Didn't these ISPs in 2021 not invest IPv6 deployment and good CGNAT techniques and they rely only on keep getting more addresses from ARIN ?
> >
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> > Fernando
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, 13:29 Jay Wendelin, <jmw at poweredbystl.com> wrote:
> >
> > I support this petition, I have many Public School Clients that rely on their ISP’s to manage and offer IP address.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jay Wendelin
> >
> > CIO
> >
> > STL/BTS
> >
> >
> >
> > cidimage001.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
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> > Jay Wendelin
> >
> > Chief Information Officer
> >
> > Cell: 309-657-5303
> >
> > jmw at poweredbystl.com
> >
> > cidimage002.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage003.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0 cidimage004.png at 01D698CE.05CAF3C0
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