[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

Thu Oct 22 14:37:08 EDT 2020

@ Robert Clarke

The data comes from tallying the comments in support on this list, and the
vote counts at the public policy meeting. At the meeting last week, 42
people voted in favour and 14 voted against.

With respect to your comment about the policy being spawned from *"vague
data on attendees of ARIN 44:" *All ARIN policies are the product of a
community member submitting a policy proposal. Representatives of an ISP
that was removed from the waitlist submitted this policy proposal after
attending ARIN 44 and discussing their issue with other community members.
The Advisory Council (who are also elected members of the community) then
steward that proposal through the policy development process. This policy
has since received the support of other members of the internet numbers
policy community.

With respect to the comment that, *"It's concerning that ARIN does not
acknowledge the long term harm on the broader community and chooses to
focus on the short term remedy for legacy ISPs." *ARIN, the organization
does what the community tells them to do. Your comment ought to be directed
at the community supporting this proposal, not at ARIN the organization. I
am also not sure what you mean by "legacy ISPs." Can you please elaborate?

As others have noted, this is a public list, and a public process. All
interested parties are welcome to participate. We've taken into
consideration that the directly affected parties are particularly
supportive. There is also additional support from parties who are not
affected by this policy - which is to say, they were not on the waiting
list - but are still expressing support for the spirit of the proposal.

Thanks for weighing in and posing some important questions.

Best,
Alyssa

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:57 PM Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

> Hello List,
>
>
>
> Who cares where the expressions of support come from, or what motivates
> them?
>
> If they come with arguments, regard the arguments.
>
> If they come with a simple +1, you can weigh the value of that with your
> own judgement.
>
> This search for speaker motivations is antithetical to the operation of
> the list and to bottom-up governance.
>
> The demand for each speaker to explicitly state their motivation is
> poisonous.
>
> Do you want to reduce participation? Because this is how you do that.
>
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> Unfortunately ARIN isn’t alone on this trend.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Mike
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> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Clarke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:37 PM
> *To:* Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of
> Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16
>
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_2/ "While attending
> ARIN 44 and discussing this with other community members the vast majority
> indicated that they agreed that some organizations were treated unfairly.
> This proposal is a remedy."
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>
>
> It seems this policy was spawned from vague data on "attendees of ARIN
> 44." It's concerning that ARIN does not acknowledge the long term harm on
> the broader community and chooses to focus on the short term remedy for
> legacy ISPs.
>
>
>
> @Alyssa Moore + @Anita Nikolich Will the fate of this policy reside in the
> hands of ISPs who stand to gain from it as you've indicated previously?
> https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2020-August/068029.html "There
> are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5 against." If
> these ISPs continue to lobby their "customers" to reply on this thread in
> favor of the policy, will that hold any weight?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Robert
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> On Oct 22, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I thought this was a PUBLIC policy list?
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:55 PM Robert Clarke <robert at rjfc.net> wrote:
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> +1 on this.
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> Where is the data from ARIN on where the support for this policy is coming
> from?
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> Regards,
>
>
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> Robert
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> On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I oppose any special treatment being given to organizations that encourage
> their customers to spam the policy list with messages in support of such
> special treatment.
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> -Scott
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> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 4:16 PM Chad Geiser via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
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> To Whom it May Concern,
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> We do business with Stratus as a Fiber provider for our operation as well
> as many of our clients. They are a legitimate internet service provider. We
> support the Stratus stance on this policy. Thank you for the consideration.
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> Sincerely,
>
> Chad Geiser
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