[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering ofOrganizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

[Andrew Dul]

I do not support the re-adding of organizations with any size of IPv4 
holdings back to the wait-list.

Speaking only for myself,

Andrew


On 8/18/2020 8:39 AM, Hayee Bokhari wrote:
> 
>
> Seems like a plan,
>
> Go for it.
>
> Regards
> Hayee Bokhari
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>
>     Hi all, Alyssa and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed
>     all of the comments. There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit
>     of this policy, and 5 against.
>
>
>     Many of these comments express support for removing the
>     restriction on total holdings for a grandfathered organization,
>     because this was not a restriction when they were originally
>     placed on the list.
>
>
>     As such, the amended proposal would look like this:
>
>
>     ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the
>     waitlist at the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous
>     position (STRIKE THIS: if their total holdings of IPv4 address
>     space amounts to a /18 or less.) The maximum size aggregate that a
>     reinstated organization may qualify for is a /22.
>
>
>     All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number
>     of months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any
>     requests met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and
>     removed from the waiting list.Thoughts?
>
>     -Anita Nikolich
>
>     On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Isaiah Olson
>     <isaiah at olson-network.com <mailto:isaiah at olson-network.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         On behalf of my organization, I would also like to voice
>         support for this policy. As much as I find some arguments
>         against the policy compelling, namely that nobody is
>         guaranteed to receive any space within any kind of time frame
>         when using the waiting list, I think it’s pretty clear to the
>         community that an error was made in moving the target out from
>         underneath companies who had already been patiently waiting on
>         the list in accordance with the requirements at the time they
>         were added.
>
>         As far as implementation details, I absolutely believe that
>         two of the most important measures to prevent fraud were the
>         introduction of the /22 limit and the 60 month waiting period
>         to transfer wait list issued space. Although we may have erred
>         in retroactively removing orgs based on the new /20 limit for
>         total space held, I think that the grandfathered orgs should
>         be subject to the same treatment as the orgs who remained on
>         the list after 2019-16 was implemented. Otherwise, I believe
>         we would once again be creating a situation of unequal
>         treatment for the orgs who had to reduce their request size to
>         a /22 after the implementation of 2019-16, and were subject to
>         the new 60 month waiting period upon issuance.
>
>         With regards to the proposed /18 limit, I do find that there
>         is little to support this arbitrary boundary when the original
>         waitlist policy specified no such condition. Since we are
>         remedying a one time error, I think that we shouldn’t be too
>         particular about which of the aggrieved parties are allowed to
>         make use of that remedy. Although I personally believe that
>         most organizations holding greater than a /18 could probably
>         afford to obtain space in other ways, I think the duty of ARIN
>         to be fair and impartial requires us to take a bit broader
>         view. Asking an organization to take a smaller allocation, or
>         wait longer to transfer allocated space, seems to me to be a
>         much less onerous retroactive application of new policy than
>         drawing any boundary which results in complete ineligibility
>         for some.
>
>         Isaiah Olson
>
>         Olson Tech, LLC
>
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> Hi all, Alyssa and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed all 
> of the comments. There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this 
> policy, and 5 against.
>
>
> Many of these comments express support for removing the restriction on 
> total holdings for a grandfathered organization, because this was not 
> a restriction when they were originally placed on the list.
>
>
> As such, the amended proposal would look like this:
>
>
> ARIN will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at 
> the adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position (STRIKE THIS: 
> if their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or 
> less.) The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may 
> qualify for is a /22.
>
>
> All restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of 
> months between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any 
> requests met through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and 
> removed from the waiting list.Thoughts?
>
> -Anita Nikolich
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Isaiah Olson <isaiah at olson-network.com 
> <mailto:isaiah at olson-network.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     On behalf of my organization, I would also like to voice support
>     for this policy. As much as I find some arguments against the
>     policy compelling, namely that nobody is guaranteed to receive any
>     space within any kind of time frame when using the waiting list, I
>     think it’s pretty clear to the community that an error was made in
>     moving the target out from underneath companies who had already
>     been patiently waiting on the list in accordance with the
>     requirements at the time they were added.
>
>     As far as implementation details, I absolutely believe that two of
>     the most important measures to prevent fraud were the introduction
>     of the /22 limit and the 60 month waiting period to transfer wait
>     list issued space. Although we may have erred in retroactively
>     removing orgs based on the new /20 limit for total space held, I
>     think that the grandfathered orgs should be subject to the same
>     treatment as the orgs who remained on the list after 2019-16 was
>     implemented. Otherwise, I believe we would once again be creating
>     a situation of unequal treatment for the orgs who had to reduce
>     their request size to a /22 after the implementation of 2019-16,
>     and were subject to the new 60 month waiting period upon issuance.
>
>     With regards to the proposed /18 limit, I do find that there is
>     little to support this arbitrary boundary when the original
>     waitlist policy specified no such condition. Since we are
>     remedying a one time error, I think that we shouldn’t be too
>     particular about which of the aggrieved parties are allowed to
>     make use of that remedy. Although I personally believe that most
>     organizations holding greater than a /18 could probably afford to
>     obtain space in other ways, I think the duty of ARIN to be fair
>     and impartial requires us to take a bit broader view. Asking an
>     organization to take a smaller allocation, or wait longer to
>     transfer allocated space, seems to me to be a much less onerous
>     retroactive application of new policy than drawing any boundary
>     which results in complete ineligibility for some.
>
>     Isaiah Olson
>
>     Olson Tech, LLC
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     ARIN-PPML
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