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<p>I do not support the re-adding of organizations with any size of
IPv4 holdings back to the wait-list.</p>
<p>Speaking only for myself,</p>
<p>Andrew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/2020 8:39 AM, Hayee Bokhari
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<p>Seems like a plan,</p>
<p>Go for it.</p>
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LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38" dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Hi
all, </span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Alyssa
and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed all of the comments.
There are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5
against. </span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt;
LINE-HEIGHT: 1.38" dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Many
of these comments express support for removing the restriction on total
holdings for a grandfathered organization, because this was not a
restriction when they were originally placed on the
list. </span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt;
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such, the amended proposal would look like
this: </span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt;
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will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at the
adoption of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position (STRIKE THIS:
</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: line-through; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">if
their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or
less</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">.)
The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify
for is a /22.</span></font></p>
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<span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All
restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of months
between July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests met
through a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the
waiting list.</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr"><font size="2">On
Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Isaiah Olson <<a
href="mailto:isaiah@olson-network.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">isaiah@olson-network.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Hi all,</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">On
behalf of my organization, I would also
like to voice support for this policy.
As much as I find some arguments against
the policy compelling, namely that
nobody is guaranteed to receive any
space within any kind of time frame when
using the waiting list, I think it’s
pretty clear to the community that an
error was made in moving the target out
from underneath companies who had
already been patiently waiting on the
list in accordance with the requirements
at the time they were added. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">As far
as implementation details, I absolutely
believe that two of the most important
measures to prevent fraud were the
introduction of the /22 limit and the 60
month waiting period to transfer wait
list issued space. Although we may have
erred in retroactively removing orgs
based on the new /20 limit for total
space held, I think that the
grandfathered orgs should be subject to
the same treatment as the orgs who
remained on the list after 2019-16 was
implemented. Otherwise, I believe we
would once again be creating a situation
of unequal treatment for the orgs who
had to reduce their request size to a
/22 after the implementation of 2019-16,
and were subject to the new 60 month
waiting period upon issuance.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">With
regards to the proposed /18 limit, I do
find that there is little to support
this arbitrary boundary when the
original waitlist policy specified no
such condition. Since we are remedying a
one time error, I think that we
shouldn’t be too particular about which
of the aggrieved parties are allowed to
make use of that remedy. Although I
personally believe that most
organizations holding greater than a /18
could probably afford to obtain space in
other ways, I think the duty of ARIN to
be fair and impartial requires us to
take a bit broader view. Asking an
organization to take a smaller
allocation, or wait longer to transfer
allocated space, seems to me to be a
much less onerous retroactive
application of new policy than drawing
any boundary which results in complete
ineligibility for some.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Isaiah
Olson</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Olson
Tech, LLC </font></p>
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all, </span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Alyssa
and I (co-shepherds for this policy) have reviewed all of the comments. There
are 18 comments in favour of the spirit of this policy, and 5
against. </span></font></p>
<font size="2"><br>
</font>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
1.38" dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Many
of these comments express support for removing the restriction on total holdings
for a grandfathered organization, because this was not a restriction when they
were originally placed on the list. </span></font></p>
<font size="2"><br>
</font>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
1.38" dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">As
such, the amended proposal would look like this: </span></font></p>
<font size="2"><br>
</font>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT:
1.38" dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">ARIN
will restore organizations that were removed from the waitlist at the adoption
of ARIN-2019-16 to their previous position (STRIKE THIS: </span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: line-through; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">if
their total holdings of IPv4 address space amounts to a /18 or less</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">.)
The maximum size aggregate that a reinstated organization may qualify for is a
/22.</span></font></p>
<font size="2"><br>
<span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">All
restored organizations extend their 2 year approval by [number of months between
July 2019 and implementation of new policy]. Any requests met through a transfer
will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">
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</span><span style="TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-VARIANT: normal; VERTICAL-ALIGN: baseline; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Thoughts?</span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr"><font size="2">On Fri, Jul
24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Isaiah Olson <<a
href="mailto:isaiah@olson-network.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">isaiah@olson-network.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Hi all,</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">On behalf of my
organization, I would also like to voice support for
this policy. As much as I find some arguments
against the policy compelling, namely that nobody is
guaranteed to receive any space within any kind of
time frame when using the waiting list, I think it’s
pretty clear to the community that an error was made
in moving the target out from underneath companies
who had already been patiently waiting on the list
in accordance with the requirements at the time they
were added. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">As far as
implementation details, I absolutely believe that
two of the most important measures to prevent fraud
were the introduction of the /22 limit and the 60
month waiting period to transfer wait list issued
space. Although we may have erred in retroactively
removing orgs based on the new /20 limit for total
space held, I think that the grandfathered orgs
should be subject to the same treatment as the orgs
who remained on the list after 2019-16 was
implemented. Otherwise, I believe we would once
again be creating a situation of unequal treatment
for the orgs who had to reduce their request size to
a /22 after the implementation of 2019-16, and were
subject to the new 60 month waiting period upon
issuance.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">With regards to the
proposed /18 limit, I do find that there is little
to support this arbitrary boundary when the original
waitlist policy specified no such condition. Since
we are remedying a one time error, I think that we
shouldn’t be too particular about which of the
aggrieved parties are allowed to make use of that
remedy. Although I personally believe that most
organizations holding greater than a /18 could
probably afford to obtain space in other ways, I
think the duty of ARIN to be fair and impartial
requires us to take a bit broader view. Asking an
organization to take a smaller allocation, or wait
longer to transfer allocated space, seems to me to
be a much less onerous retroactive application of
new policy than drawing any boundary which results
in complete ineligibility for some.</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Isaiah Olson</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Olson Tech, LLC </font></p>
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