[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 167, Issue 153
Scott Leibrand
scottleibrand at gmail.com
Fri May 24 14:51:20 EDT 2019
What rationale is there for a /21 limit vs. /22, other than “I need more than one /22, and think my needs for a second /22 are more important than others’ needs for a first”?
Scott
> On May 24, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Christian Lefrançois <clefranc at diffusionfermont.ca> wrote:
>
> I disagree with /22 limit, should be /21, the IPs received from the waiting
> list should return to the waiting list in case of business cease, even if
> CORP-A swallow CORP-B assets, all allocations received from the waiting list
> should be annually reviewed and reentry on the waiting list should also be
> annually.
>
> Sorry for my bad English.
>
> Christian Lefrançois
> Diffusion Fermont
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> 1. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
> 4.1.8. Unmet Requests (Leif Sawyer)
> 2. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation RegardingNRPM
> 4.1.8. Unmet Requests (=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=)
> 3. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
> 4.1.8. Unmet Requests (David Farmer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 17:32:13 +0000
> From: Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com>
> To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> Michael, just to be clear:
>
> You don't support the policy allowing for the transfer of IPs received by
> waitlist, for any reason?
>
> Including the purchase and transfer of all assets by Corp-A from Corp-B ,
> regardless of current utilization of the IPs?
>
> --
> Leif Sawyer
> Enterprise Security Architect
> Enterprise Security Office
> GCI
>
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> From: ARIN-PPML [arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] on behalf of Michael Williams
> [michael.williams at glexia.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 9:18 AM
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> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding
> NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the language
> of this policy proposal. Specifically:
>
> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the waitlist
> be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP allocations received via
> the waitlist should not be transferred, sold, or otherwise acquired in any
> other fashion.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Williams
> President/CEO Glexia, Inc
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>
>> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their recommendation
> regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
>>
>> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
> Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
> conclude on 7 June.
>>
>> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s recommendation
> and the PPML discussion.
>>
>> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.
>>
>> Sean Hopkins
>> Policy Analyst
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
>> Advisory Council recommendation:
>>
>> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN staff
> and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC meeting
> on May 16, 2019.
>>
>> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,
> the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board of
> Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation of
> sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> of the
> Numbering Resource Policy Manual:
>>
>> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
> operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and
> 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> immediately.
>>
>> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
>>
>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4
> and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that an
> organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations will be
> able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24. Only
> organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and be
> approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible
> for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to all
> future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
>>
>> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
> allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days after
> receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
> space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
> requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
> that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
> request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
> whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
> mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
> addresses.
>>
>> 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> Sequencing
>>
>> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
> determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
> approved request on the waiting list at a time.
>>
>> 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> Fulfillment
>>
>> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the size
> of each available address block as address blocks become available for
> distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
> ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met through
> a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.
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> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 13:40:59 -0400
> From: "=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=" <bokhari at cronomagic.com>
> To: "=?utf-8?B?U2NvdHQgTGVpYnJhbmQ=?=" <scottleibrand at gmail.com>,
> "=?utf-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBXaWxsaWFtcw==?=" <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> Cc: "=?utf-8?B?YXJpbi1wcG1s?=" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> RegardingNRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> I support non-transferability of waitlist space and limited,
>
> However Transfer from one entity to other should be allowed,
>
> -When a merger is taken place
> -A company goes out of business and trustee takes over
>
> I see while we are discussing limiting the waiting list to /21 or /22 there
> are entries being added in waiting list for blocks bigger then /21, what
> will happen to these waiting list entries, in other words what is the plan
> for existing entries in the waiting list.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Hayee
>
>
>> I support the AC?s recommendations, and consider them sufficient to resume
> waitlist allocations.
>>
>> I would also be fine with Michael?s #2 (non-transferability of waitlist
> space), but would consider that a new proposal. I don?t support a larger
> (/21) limit.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On May 24, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Michael Williams
> <michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the
>>> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
>>>
>>> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
>>> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the
>>> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP
>>> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred,
>>> sold, or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Michael Williams
>>> President/CEO Glexia, Inc
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their
> recommendation regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
>>>>
>>>> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
> Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
> conclude on 7 June.
>>>>
>>>> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s
> recommendation and the PPML discussion.
>>>>
>>>> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.
>>>>
>>>> Sean Hopkins
>>>> Policy Analyst
>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Advisory Council recommendation:
>>>>
>>>> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN
> staff and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC
> meeting on May 16, 2019.
>>>>
>>>> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,
> the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board of
> Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation of
> sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 of the Numbering Resource Policy Manual:
>>>>
>>>> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
> operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 immediately.
>>>>
>>>> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
>>>>
>>>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4
> and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that an
> organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations will be
> able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24. Only
> organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and be
> approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible
> for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to all
> future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
>>>>
>>>> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
> allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days after
> receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
> space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
> requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
> that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
> request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
> whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
> mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
> addresses.
>>>>
>>>> 4.1.8.1 Sequencing
>>>>
>>>> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
> determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
> approved request on the waiting list at a time.
>>>>
>>>> 4.1.8.2 Fulfillment
>>>>
>>>> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the
> size of each available address block as address blocks become available for
> distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
> ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met through
> a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.
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> Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:55:41 -0500
> From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
> To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
> Cc: ARIN <info at arin.net>, ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
> Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:18 PM Michael Williams <
> michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:
>
>> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the
>> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
>>
>> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
>>
>
> Personally looking at the data I could be convinced /21 is OK from a fraud
> prevention perspective. However, there seems to be a strong preference for
> aligning with other RIRs on /22. That seems like as good of an argument as I
> have seen for what is mostly an arbitrary choice. Do you have a better
> argument for why it should be /21? Unfortunately, the arguments for /21 that
> I remember have mostly boiled down to, "that is what I have been planning
> for and need." I need more on why /21 is the right number over /22.
>
>
>> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the
>> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP
>> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred, sold,
>> or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
>>
>
> I can't support the elimination of M&A and reorganization transfers, ARIN
> should not be an impediment to how anyone organizes or reorganizes their
> business. There is an argument that completely eliminating transfers just
> incents people to go around the registry, reducing its accuracy, and after
> 3 to 5 years, this shouldn't matter too much anyway, at least I hope that is
> the case.
>
> Thanks.
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