[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 167, Issue 153

Christian Lefrançois clefranc at diffusionfermont.ca
Fri May 24 14:42:27 EDT 2019


I disagree with /22 limit, should be /21, the IPs received from the waiting
list should return to the waiting list in case of business cease, even if
CORP-A swallow CORP-B assets, all allocations received from the waiting list
should be annually reviewed and reentry on the waiting list should also be
annually.

Sorry for my bad English.

Christian Lefrançois
Diffusion Fermont

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (Leif Sawyer)
   2. Re:  Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation RegardingNRPM
      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=)
   3. Re: Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM
      4.1.8. Unmet Requests (David Farmer)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 17:32:13 +0000
From: Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com>
To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
        Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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Michael, just to be clear:

You don't support the policy allowing for the transfer of IPs received by
waitlist, for any reason?

Including the purchase and transfer of all assets by Corp-A  from Corp-B ,
regardless of current utilization of the IPs?

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Leif Sawyer
Enterprise Security Architect
Enterprise Security Office
GCI


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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding
NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

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Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the language
of this policy proposal. Specifically:

1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the waitlist
be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP allocations received via
the waitlist should not be transferred, sold, or otherwise acquired in any
other fashion.

Regards,

Michael Williams
President/CEO Glexia, Inc

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their recommendation
regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
>
> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
conclude on 7 June.
>
> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s recommendation
and the PPML discussion.
>
> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.
>
> Sean Hopkins
> Policy Analyst
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
>
> Advisory Council recommendation:
>
> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN staff
and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC meeting
on May 16, 2019.
>
> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,
the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board of
Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation of
sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> of the
Numbering Resource Policy Manual:
>
> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> and
4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> immediately.
>
> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
>
> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4
and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that an
organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations will be
able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24. Only
organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and be
approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible
for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to all
future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
>
> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days after
receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
addresses.
>
> 4.1.8.1<http://4.1.8.1> Sequencing
>
> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
approved request on the waiting list at a time.
>
> 4.1.8.2<http://4.1.8.2> Fulfillment
>
> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the size
of each available address block as address blocks become available for
distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met through
a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 13:40:59 -0400
From: "=?utf-8?B?SGF5ZWUgQm9raGFyaQ==?=" <bokhari at cronomagic.com>
To: "=?utf-8?B?U2NvdHQgTGVpYnJhbmQ=?=" <scottleibrand at gmail.com>,
        "=?utf-8?B?TWljaGFlbCBXaWxsaWFtcw==?=" <michael.williams at glexia.com>
Cc: "=?utf-8?B?YXJpbi1wcG1s?=" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml]  Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
        RegardingNRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
Message-ID: <201905241340593981544 at cronomagic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"

I support non-transferability of waitlist space and limited,

However Transfer from one entity to other should be allowed,

-When a merger is taken place
-A company goes out of business and trustee takes over

I see while we are discussing limiting the waiting list to /21 or /22 there
are entries being added in waiting list for blocks bigger then /21, what
will happen to these waiting list entries, in other words what is the plan
for existing entries in the waiting list.


Thanks

Hayee


>I support the AC?s recommendations, and consider them sufficient to resume
waitlist allocations.
>
>I would also be fine with Michael?s #2 (non-transferability of waitlist
space), but would consider that a new proposal. I don?t support a larger
(/21) limit.
>
>Scott
>
>> On May 24, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Michael Williams
<michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:
>>
>> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the 
>> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
>>
>> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
>> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the 
>> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP 
>> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred, 
>> sold, or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael Williams
>> President/CEO Glexia, Inc
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 25 May 2019, at 03:04, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> At their 16 May meeting, the Advisory Council revised their
recommendation regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests.
>>>
>>> The revised recommendation is hereby submitted to the Public Policy
Mailing List for a second community discussion period of 14 days, to
conclude on 7 June.
>>>
>>> Once completed, the Board of Trustees will review the AC?s
recommendation and the PPML discussion.
>>>
>>> The full text of the Advisory Council's revised recommendation is below.
>>>
>>> Sean Hopkins
>>> Policy Analyst
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Advisory Council recommendation:
>>>
>>> This is an updated version which incorporates feedback from the ARIN
staff and was approved for further community consultation at the ARIN AC
meeting on May 16, 2019.
>>>
>>> In accordance with section 10.2 of the ARIN Policy Development Process,
the ARIN Advisory Council recommends the following actions to the Board of
Trustees in response to the Board?s suspension of part of the operation of
sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 of the Numbering Resource Policy Manual:
>>>
>>> Replace section 4.1.8 et. seq. as follows, then reinstate the full
operation of sections 4.1.8, 4.1.8.1 and 4.1.8.2 immediately.
>>>
>>> 4.1.8 ARIN Waitlist
>>>
>>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4
and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist. The maximum size aggregate that an
organization may qualify for at any one time is a /22. Organizations will be
able to elect a smaller block size than they qualify for down to a /24. Only
organizations holding a /20 or less of IPv4 address space may apply and be
approved. Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible
for transfer for a period of 60 months. This policy will be applied to all
future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
>>>
>>> Repeated requests, in a manner that would circumvent 4.1.6, are not
allowed: an organization currently on the waitlist must wait 90 days after
receiving a distribution from the waitlist before applying for additional
space. ARIN, at its sole discretion, may waive this requirement if the
requester can document a change in circumstances since their last request
that could not have been reasonably foreseen at the time of the original
request, and which now justifies additional space. Qualified requesters
whose request will also be advised of the availability of the transfer
mechanism in section 8.3 as an alternative mechanism to obtain IPv4
addresses.
>>>
>>> 4.1.8.1 Sequencing
>>>
>>> The position of each qualified request on the waiting list will be
determined by the date it was approved. Each organization may have one
approved request on the waiting list at a time.
>>>
>>> 4.1.8.2 Fulfillment
>>>
>>> ARIN will fulfill requests on a first-approved basis, subject to the
size of each available address block as address blocks become available for
distribution. A timely review of the original request may be conducted by
ARIN staff. Requests will not be partially filled. Any requests met through
a transfer will be considered fulfilled and removed from the waiting list.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 12:55:41 -0500
From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
To: Michael Williams <michael.williams at glexia.com>
Cc: ARIN <info at arin.net>, ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Advisory Council Recommendation
        Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
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On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:18 PM Michael Williams <
michael.williams at glexia.com> wrote:

> Representing ARIN member organisation GLEXI-3, I disagree with the 
> language of this policy proposal. Specifically:
>
> 1) The maximum waitlist size should be a /21
>

Personally looking at the data I could be convinced /21 is OK from a fraud
prevention perspective. However, there seems to be a strong preference for
aligning with other RIRs on /22. That seems like as good of an argument as I
have seen for what is mostly an arbitrary choice. Do you have a better
argument for why it should be /21? Unfortunately, the arguments for /21 that
I remember have mostly boiled down to, "that is what I have been planning
for and need." I need more on why /21 is the right number over /22.


> 2) The policy should require all IP allocations received from the 
> waitlist be returned to ARIN if they are no longer used. IP 
> allocations received via the waitlist should not be transferred, sold, 
> or otherwise acquired in any other fashion.
>

I can't support the elimination of M&A and reorganization transfers, ARIN
should not be an impediment to how anyone organizes or reorganizes their
business. There is an argument that completely eliminating transfers just
incents people to go around the registry, reducing its accuracy, and after
3 to 5 years, this shouldn't matter too much anyway, at least I hope that is
the case.

Thanks.
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