[arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

[Fernando Frediani]

Why people always believe they "own" IP address space and nobody can 
take it from them as if it was a router or a server purchased with a 
invoice and declared in their annual balance ?

RIR gives and give takes away since is not ASN's property and there 
rules for that. If there is a rule in place state what means a misuse 
then sanctions must apply.
Why are people are so skeptical about that this type of rule to be in 
place if supposedly nobody that becomes a RIR member should ever have 
the intention to void it in such way ?

Fernando

On 02/05/2019 03:30, Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>
> Hi Joe, All,
>
> On Wed, 1 May 2019, Joe Provo wrote:
>
> (...)
>> "Distribution function" is indeed merely agreeing that the data
>> recorded in the registry is accurate. There's no dibursement of
>> anything.
>
> Allow me to disagree. People/orgs don't have address space. They go to 
> the RIR. They get address space. For me, this means the RIR is 
> distributing address space to whoever knocks on their door and is 
> elegible to receice resources.
>
> People that have no land are not able to knock at a land registry's 
> door and simply ask for some.
>
>
>
>> When we bought our house and land, the registry of
>> deeds was similar only involved in verifying that the transfer
>> from the previous holders to us was a valid contract within the
>> scope of its operations (the state in which we live).
>
> That's a property registry. That is not a numbering resources 
> registry. As Fernando already wrote, numbering resources are not 
> property -- or is it property within ARIN?
>
> Anyway, being property or not, the registry distributes numbering 
> resources (you can argue v4 is not there anymore, but v6 and ASNs are 
> still there).
>
>
>
>> When a
>> neighbor was doing a construction project and we had to go block
>> their heavy equipment, the registrar of deeds sure didn't come
>> and settle the dispute. We went down, got the county map and
>> they agreed. if they hadn't, law enforcement and courts would
>> have been the next step.
>
> You are perhaps trying to divert from the issue.
>
> You and your neighbor are not members of the same "registrar of 
> deeds". When a RIR member disrespects what the RIR has previously 
> awarded to another member, it is breaking the system. And the RIR 
> should be able to do something about that.
>
>
>
>> This, like all Internet analogies, is poor; my thrust is that rfg's
>> is worse. To parallel ARIN with a transportation agency's "line
>> drawing" and officials embued with law enforcement is wildly off
>> track.
>
> While we would be happy to have a simple rule in place, the proposal 
> is somehow forced to design a process (or at least its general lines) 
> to avoid at all cost the involvement of the RIR staff. This is why any 
> evaluation needs to be driven from the community, not the RIR staff -- 
> the keyword here should be self-regulation.
>
> I do personally think RFG's analogy is way better than yours.
>
>
> Regards,
> Carlos
>
> ps: thanks for the other URLs.
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