[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-2: Waiting List Block Size Restriction
Tom Fantacone
tom at iptrading.com
Fri Mar 1 13:26:56 EST 2019
Hi Bill,
At 06:35 PM 2/28/2019, William Herrin wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 9:49 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> > A significant percentage of organizations that receive blocks
> > from the waiting list subsequently issue these blocks to other
> > organizations via 8.3 or 8.4 transfers shortly after the one year
> > waiting period required before engaging in such outbound transfers.
>
>I'm shocked to learn that people are playing arbitrage with the
>transfer process. Oh wait, no I'm not. I may have even expressed my
>expectation that we'd see this sort of behavior back when we debated
>the transfer policies. If I had the time, I might dig out my old
>emails just so I could say I told you so.
While we have a problem with the waiting list
that were trying to address here, I think it's
important to point out that the transfer market
as a whole has proven an excellent vehicle for
moving number resources from those who no longer
need them to those who do. This gaming of the
system is restricted to a subset of the waiting
list, and the number of blocks issued on the
waiting list is less than 10% of the blocks
transferred in the ARIN region during the same
time period. (682 blocks have been issued via
the waiting list, and a quick look at ARINs
transfer stats indicates roughly 8,000 blocks
transferred in the same time frame since 2015 if
Im reading it correctly). If we look at the
ratio in terms of total address space, I suspect
the waiting list comprises an even smaller
percentage, though I cant readily find those figures.
Furthermore, even within the waiting list, the
problem appears with only a small percentage of
recipients (25 re-transfers out of 682 total),
although this does impact a high percentage of
the waiting list block space since the abusers
are almost entirely doing this with larger blocks.
The point is that while The problem statement is
pretty damning
(quoting Kevin Blumberg), the
sky is not falling due to the transfer
markets. Its damning within the small subset of
re-transfers of blocks received off the waiting list.
> > the organization will be provided the option to be placed on
> > a waiting list of pre-qualified recipients, listing both the block size
> > qualified for or a /22, whichever is smaller, and the smallest block
> > size acceptable, not to exceed a /22.
>
>I fail to see how this solves the problem. For $20k a pop, I can clear
>a tidy profit on a year, a shell company and some paperwork. Sure I'd
>rather get $200k a pop but the change doesn't make the effort
>unattractive. I really just need to create more shell companies.
>
>This approach is reactive. Oh, the fraud is mostly on the big blocks
>so stop that. Oh, now the fraud is on the smaller blocks, what do we
>do? Don't react. Get ahead of the problem. That's what you do.
Yes, its possible there is abuse with the small
blocks off the waiting list as well, but so far
we arent seeing it (only 3% of smaller blocks
have been re-transferred vs. 42% of the larger
blocks). Now, perhaps if we restrict the waiting
list block size to a /22 these bad actors will
start playing the same game with /22s, but we
dont have any evidence that will occur.
Others have pointed out issues of abuse in RIPE
where LIRs are spun up to grab /22s from the
final /8, but the 2 environments are
different. First, there is no justification
requirement in RIPE. Form a corp, have a
presence in the RIPE region, and you get a /22
whether you can justify it or not. That may not
exactly be a noble action in support of the
spirit of the RIPE community, but for the most
part, it is policy-compliant. In ARIN, you have
to justify your need and sign an affidavit
affirming your justification which makes willful
misrepresentation fraudulent. Thats a much
higher disincentive to go through for a /22 than
in RIPE, where basically its just frowned
upon. And per John Currans remarks, ARIN has
revoked address space when investigating why some
of these actors are selling their waiting list
space shortly after receiving it. So these
gamers could risk an audit of their full address
holdings in order to con ARIN out of a /22. The
abuse in RIPE regarding the final /8 is also
heavily concentrated in a few member nations and,
suffice it to say, those same nations are not ARIN members.
Regards,
Tom
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