[arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

[Joe Provo]

Strongly oppose.

We all see things through our own lenses, so I'm not
suprised by the position of economists. I am troubled
by some folks using the phrase "distort the market"
to describe tge normal functioning of the RIR, as if
there is some form of *primacy* to be placed on the 
transfer market. We should recall that it
exists solely as a tool for resource redistribution
with registry accuracy. It exists to serve us not
the other way around.

Cheers,

Joe


On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Alyssa Moore wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread,
> please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> OK, I???ve read it, and here is my reaction:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This policy requires legal comment. ARIN???s Articles and Bylaws do not
> >> specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by
> >> selling those resources into the transfer market
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles or
> >> bylaws.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such
> >> revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the
> >> party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to
> >> financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses
> >> for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it not?
> >> It is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If ARIN ???gets paid??? by selling the numbers into the transfer market what
> >> is the difference exactly?
> >>
> >
> > Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this policy
> > provides valuable number resources essentially for free".
> >
> > Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is
> > at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above.
> > Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the level
> > of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger.
> > Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and the
> > potential for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft
> > policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place.
> >
> > In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of magnitude
> > in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial motivations
> > from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the
> > court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even
> > call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs to
> > be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily
> > dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the end,
> > but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an
> > adverse ruling, are not the same at all.
> >
> > More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and
> > counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its Articles
> > and Bylaws.
> >
> > That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these
> > risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being
> > considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as well.
> >
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