[arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

Thu Jun 20 15:50:50 EDT 2019

Oppose.

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On Jun 21, 2019, at 02:56, Roberts, Orin <oroberts at bell.ca> wrote:

Opposed!  “ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and counter
to its overall mission”.

I would advocate a policy placing those resources for distribution under
Section 4.4 (Micro Allocations ie /24) and 4.10 ( IPv4 block facilitate to
IPv6 deployment).

*Orin Roberts *
*IP PROVISIONING*

*Bell Canada*

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*Subject:* [EXT]Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting
List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council
Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

Oppose.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Alyssa Moore <alyssa at alyssamoore.ca> wrote:

Hi folks,

Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread,
please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:

OK, I’ve read it, and here is my reaction:

This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do not
specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by
selling those resources into the transfer market

So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles or
bylaws.

Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such
revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the
party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to
financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant.

I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses for
nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it not? It
is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid.

If ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into the transfer market what is
the difference exactly?

Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this policy
provides valuable number resources essentially for free".

Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is at
a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above. Whereas,
if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the level of
financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger. Furthermore,
if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and the potential
for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft policy
proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place.

In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of magnitude
in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial motivations
from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the
court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even
call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs to
be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily
dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the end,
but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an
adverse ruling, are not the same at all.

More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and
counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its Articles
and Bylaws.

That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these
risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being
considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as well.

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