[arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

[Roberts, Orin]

Opposed!  “ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and counter to its overall mission”.

I would advocate a policy placing those resources for distribution under Section 4.4 (Micro Allocations ie /24) and 4.10 ( IPv4 block facilitate to IPv6 deployment).








Orin Roberts
IP PROVISIONING
Bell Canada




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Subject: [EXT]Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

Oppose.



On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:27 AM Alyssa Moore <alyssa at alyssamoore.ca<mailto:alyssa at alyssamoore.ca>> wrote:
Hi folks,

Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread, please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu<mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>> wrote:
OK, I’ve read it, and here is my reaction:

This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do not specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by selling those resources into the transfer market

So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles or bylaws.

Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant.

I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it not? It is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid.

If ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into the transfer market what is the difference exactly?

Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this policy provides valuable number resources essentially for free".

Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above. Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the level of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger. Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and the potential for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place.

In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of magnitude in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial motivations from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs to be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the end, but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an adverse ruling, are not the same at all.

More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its Articles and Bylaws.

That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as well.

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