[arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-7: Elimination of the Waiting List (was:Re: Looking for final show of support on revised Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests

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This legal assessment seems to speak against auction of revoked and 
recovered resources.

Instead, I say that the resources should be added to the 4.10 IPv6 
deployment block, rather than being auctioned off and not have a wait 
list.

We have this 4.10 block.  Why not add recovered addresses to this block 
and drop the waiting list in the long term.  We may want to allow those 
currently on it one more chance, but I say that is it....

This has many desirable properties, including not causing a legal conflict 
with reclaimed resources, and promoting the use of IPv6 as an alternate to 
IPv4.  Unlike the wait list, this block requires a showing of an intent to 
use IPv6 currently and in the future.

Currently, there is no requirement to hold or use IPv6 resources as a 
condition of receiving resources.  It has been 8 years since the central 
pool ran dry back in 2011.  I think it is about time to consider a 
REQUIREMENT to have and use IPv6 resources before being able to receive 
IPv4 resources by any means, including the wait list, transfer market or 
otherwise.

It is not really possible to just say "no returns" when the vast majority 
of these returns are from failure to pay ARIN fees. In todays enviroment 
when you can sell your unused numbers, I would guess most of these 
failure to pay is caused by having great finance issues.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019, David Farmer wrote:

> Those of you who support Elimination of the Waiting List, effectively Draft
> Policy ARIN-2019-7 should read the Staff and Legal Review for the policy
> posted on April 29th.
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_7/
>
> In particular the Legal Assessment;
>
> This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do not
> specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by
> selling those resources into the transfer market, as an alternative to
> allocating some amended version of the wait list policy. Fraud underlying
> any waiting list policy issuance is an appropriate policy concern. However,
> ARIN revokes address resources from those who fail to make required payment
> s to ARIN which makes up almost all revocations; and in the rare cases of
> breach of the RSA or fraud in the obtaining the allocation. Today, ARIN
> does not financially benefit in any material way from such revocations.
> Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the party in a
> contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to financially
> benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant.
>
>
> Based on this assessment, I find it difficult to support this course of
> action or this policy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 9:41 AM Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Robert and Bill that it is an illogical market distortion to
>> have this source of free addresses.
>>
>> And that the assumption that “need” at an earlier point in time is still
>> the same “need” when addresses randomly come available in the future is
>> faulty.
>>
>> I would prefer to starve the waiting list to death, but apparently it
>> continues to be fed by various inputs.
>>
>> (I think recovered addresses should be returned to IANA or added to
>> another reserve pool at ARIN instead of adding them to waiting list
>> inventory.)
>>
>> I don’t support the selling of addresses by ARIN.
>>
>> I think the 5 year waiting period is 4 years too long.
>>
>> I think the recent recovery of fraudulently allocated space means that
>> those already on the waiting list should be grandfathered-in regarding
>> size, and regarding the new size limit of a /20 of their current holdings.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, in the interests of moving forward I support the AC
>> recommendation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> Clarke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 06, 2019 9:27 PM
>> *To:* William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>
>> *Cc:* ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Looking for final show of support on revised
>> Advisory Council Recommendation Regarding NRPM 4.1.8. Unmet Requests
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with William. It's definitely not logical to hand out free
>> addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Clarke
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 6:21 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Support, though frankly I'd prefer it if ARIN simply abolished the wait
>> list and put the addresses on the transfer market.
>>
>>
>>
>> Philosophically speaking, how could you possibly *need* addresses the way
>> we think of need if you can afford to wait months and months for them to
>> become available on the wait list? Seems to me like there's some fudging
>> going on at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
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