[arin-ppml] ARIN discontinuing DNSSEC capability to legacy holders

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Just so I can get a prospective of how much money was lost for ARIN during 
this discussion, can someone please tell me what the current minimum cost 
under the current RSA for someone to hold 2 /24's?  Five hundred a year 
seems to be the stated price, but I am unable to calculate it based on 
resources alone, which might be less.

I also note that at the time this holder received his resources, ARIN did 
not exist, nor was there any charge to receive resources and no discussion 
of any future charges for receiving numbers at the time when he received 
his numbers.  The charges by ARIN were done after the fact, and is it 
really fair to impose a charge under these conditions?  There seems to be 
2 sides to this issue.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.


On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, John Santos wrote:

> With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about.  You are 
> attributing motives to me and other legacy holders, that are completely false 
> and possibly libelous.  And I think there are way more of us than you 
> imagine.
>
> Received my class C from the InterNIC in 1993.  Don't need any more, just 
> need RDNS and am happy to provide POC validation annually, and update my POC 
> records every decade or two when things change, but otherwise require almost 
> nothing from ARIN, so I don't see how I am a "freeloader".
>
> On 10/5/2018 12:40 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
>>> The change is that ARIN is (or will soon be) no longer accepting DNSSEC DS 
>>> records for reverse DNS for those resources that are not covered by RSA or 
>>> LRSA.  This is a change from current operational practice, and it 
>>> effectively disables the *community's* ability to validate reverse DNS for 
>>> these holders.
>> 
>> Refusing to authenticate resources used by holders who cannot be validated 
>> is a feature, not a bug.
>> 
>> My fees (and everyone elses) pay ARIN to validate and certify the resource 
>> holders. They absolutely should not publish resources they cannot validate 
>> or certify.  They absolutely should not under any circumstances extended 
>> resources to perform validation and certification to people who’ve been 
>> playing this game for closing on three decades.
>> 
>> ARIN has real issues to deal with, and the hundred or so resource holders 
>> who want to keep stealing the time and effort of everyone involved in ARIN 
>> for their little pity party should go away. It doesn’t below on the PPML 
>> list, which should be concerned exclusively with the legitimate needs of 
>> cooperative and legally contracted entities.
>> 
>> This was an active topic when I was a freakin child. As I near retirement 
>> and death, it’s time for this to stop. It’s time for these resources to 
>> be
>> 
>> 1. Marked as unknown/unvalidated
>> 2. Added to all abuse tracking DBs as unknown/unmanaged
>> 
>> And it’s time for all the unvalidated resource holders stop whining about 
>> their rights. You’ve had decades to join the party. We owe you nothing.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jo Rhett
>> Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and 
>> internet projects.
>> 
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