[arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network

Fri Sep 22 01:40:56 EDT 2017

Andrew,

I don’t have a solution for the Information Technology text, other than to remove it. It creates a loophole that anything could be considered a Community Network.

Replying to your answers.

2) Is charitable organization a synonym or fall under the umbrella of non-profit?
AD: My understanding is that this was intended as a synonym, a list of descriptors that could be used to define a community network.
               KB: It would make sense to remove Charitable organization if it is only a synonym.

3) Why is the scope limited to post-secondary institution when many smaller communities would not have that? Could accredited educational institution be used instead?
AD: The text has been updated to "educational institution"
KB: My apologies on reading the wrong text from the website. Thanks for the clarification.

4) I agree with Chris W. that "play a large role" is very ambigous.
AD: Do you have a suggestion of text that might be more descriptive?  For example would a percentage of revenue / wages ratio be applicable?   That was an idea, but I'm not sure one could easily come up with a ratio that works.
KB: The word large could be 15%, depending on who you ask. In TCP/IP 1 percent loss is large. A non-specific term will more than likely default to the lowest possible. I would suggest that majority or 50% are more appropriate.

5) The last sentence should be reworded completely. Critical functions may be handled by paid staff, implies that volunteers shouldn't handle Critical functions or that paid staff shouldn't handle menial work?
AD: Should we substitute "Critical" with "Some"?
KB: Changing Critical to Some would be fine.

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg

From: Andrew Dul [mailto:andrew.dul at quark.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:45 PM
To: Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca>; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network

On 9/20/2017 11:01 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote:
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> I am opposed to the policy if it includes “or other Information Technology services”. That would basically be any defined organization that has a website.

Do you have a suggestion of what might be more appropriate wording?  We were trying to suggest that a community network might provide more than basic connectivity.

On 9/20/2017 10:21 AM, Kevin Blumberg wrote:

Andrew,

Is this the current text of the policy?

The text on 2017-8 on the website does not match. The text below includes " or other Information Technology services" which does not appear on the website (https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html)

Can you please confirm which is the correct version, I have written my repsonses based on the website.

1) Can a "Volunteer Group" sign the RSA?
I'll let ARIN staff answer this part.

2) Is charitable organization a synonym or fall under the umbrella of non-profit?
My understanding is that this was intended as a synonym, a list of descriptors that could be used to define a community network.

3) Why is the scope limited to post-secondary institution when many smaller communities would not have that? Could accredited educational institution be used instead?
The text has been updated to "educational institution"

4) I agree with Chris W. that "play a large role" is very ambigous.

Do you have a suggestion of text that might be more descriptive?  For example would a percentage of revenue / wages ratio be applicable?   That was an idea, but I'm not sure one could easily come up with a ratio that works.

5) The last sentence should be reworded completely. Critical functions may be handled by paid staff, implies that volunteers shouldn't handle Critical functions or that paid staff shouldn't handle menial work?

Should we substitute "Critical" with "Some"?

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From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Dul

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:21 AM

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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network

Hello all,

We will be discussing this draft proposal at the upcoming ARIN meeting in San Jose.  If you have comments on the updated draft posted below, we'd certainly like to hear from you so we can help shape the conversation in person.

We have seen some support for this updated draft, but not a lot.

Furthermore, have we addressed all of your concerns which you might have noted earlier on the 1st version of the policy text.

Thanks,

Andrew

On 8/24/2017 8:22 AM, ARIN wrote:

Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network

Problem Statement:

The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since

implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the

number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack

of feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community

networks from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many

responded that the definition of “community network” was too narrow,

which could be the reason for lack of uptake.

Policy statement:

CURRENT NRPM TEXT:

“2.11. Community Network

A community network is any network organized and operated by a

volunteer group operating as or under the fiscal support of a

nonprofit organization or university for the purpose of providing free

or low-cost connectivity to the residents of their local service area.

To be treated as a community network under ARIN policy, the applicant

must certify to ARIN that the community network staff is 100%

volunteers.”

NEW NRPM TEXT:

“2.11 Community Network

A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer

group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or

educational institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost

connectivity, or other Information Technology services to persons or

entities within their community. Critical functions may be handled by

paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering services

available through community networks.”

Comments:

Timetable for implementation: Immediate _

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