[arin-ppml] policy proposal 2017-4 removal of reciprocity requirements

Mueller, Milton L milton at gatech.edu
Thu Sep 7 13:27:12 EDT 2017 

I support this proposal.
I am scratching my head at the apparent lack of logic in this claim:

In addition, I am not convinced that it should be ARIN's role to correct perceived global RIR framework inbalances?
The reciprocity requirement is the policy that makes it ARIN’s role to correct potential imbalances, not this policy. We need to remove those requirements.


Dr. Milton L Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy<http://spp.gatech.edu/>
Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet Governance Project
http://internetgovernance.org/






We currently have a working policy strategy in this area, and I think we should stick with it for now.
rd

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   1. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for
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   2. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for
      Inter-RIR Transfers (Kevin Blumberg)
   3. Re: Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for
      Inter-RIR Transfers (Mike Burns)


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I am opposed to this policy.

From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of Chris Woodfield
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

This policy proposal seems, to me, as an attempt to correct a historical imbalance in the distribution of IPv4 resources to various RIRs, since the vast majority of legacy space - which, to my eyes, it seems that much of the transfer supply is originating from - is in the ARIN region.

Given that, this policy only makes sense up to the point that such imbalance still exists. If we simply named the target RIRs, we could result in a (arguably theoretical) situation where Afrinic and Lacnic wind up transferring enough space to push their totals over the average but are still permitted to transfer space. if that were to happen, it would require a subsequent policy change to keep that imbalance from growing worse.

As such, I support as written and would argue against an approach that targets specific RIRs by name.

-C

On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Cj Aronson <cja at daydream.com<mailto:cja at daydream.com><mailto:cja at daydream.com<mailto:cja at daydream.com>>> wrote:

Okay so this formula.. does it just give us Afrinic and Lacnic right?  So why don't we just say that?  Since there are only 5 RIRs it seems that maybe a formula isn't needed?


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On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 12:35 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net><mailto:info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>>> wrote:
The following has been revised:

* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

Revised text is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html

You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:

* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community

The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

Regards,

Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

Version Date: 6 September 2017

Problem Statement:

AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region.

ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).

ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:

- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market;

- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and

- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does.

Policy statement:

Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:

Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.

Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement.
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Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status is/was.

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg



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Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

The following has been revised:

* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

Revised text is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html

You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:

* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community

The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

Regards,

Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

Version Date: 6 September 2017

Problem Statement:

AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators in that region.

ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).

ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:

- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the market;

- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and

- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than ARIN does.

Policy statement:

Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:

Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.

Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem statement.
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Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:39:02 -0400
From: "Mike Burns" <mike at iptrading.com<mailto:mike at iptrading.com>>
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Hi Kevin,

LACNIC will be presented with a one-way policy proposal in Montevideo in a
few weeks. It has failed to reach consensus twice but was returned to the
list, so it will be voted on again.

https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2017-2

Regards,
Mike




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Blumberg
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Requirement for Inter-RIR Transfers

Are there active polices in the other regions that rely on this policy? I
understand there have been discussions, however I don't know what the status
is/was.

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg



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From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of ARIN
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:36 PM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: [arin-ppml] Revised: ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement
for Inter-RIR Transfers

The following has been revised:

* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR
Transfers

Revised text is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_4.html

You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:

* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community

The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html

Regards,

Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



Draft Policy ARIN-2017-4: Remove Reciprocity Requirement for Inter-RIR
Transfers

Version Date: 6 September 2017

Problem Statement:

AFRINIC and LACNIC are currently considering one-way inter-RIR transfer
proposals. Those RIR communities feel a one-way policy a policy that allows
network operators in their regions to obtain space from another region and
transfer it into AFRINIC and LACNIC may best meet the needs of the operators
in that region.

ARIN staff, in reply to an inquiry from AFRINIC, have formally indicated
that ARINs 8.4 policy language will not allow ARIN to participate in such
one-way transfers. The staff formally indicate to AFRINIC that the word
reciprocal in 8.4 prohibits ARIN from allowing ARIN-registered space to
transfer directly to AFRINIC (in this context).

ARIN as a community should recognize that other RIR operator communities
have different needs than we do. We should recognize that:

- network operators in AFRINIC in LACNIC have need to obtain space in the
market;

- have reasons they think are important to not allow two-way transfers; and

- we should understand that the history of the RIR system has led to LACNIC
and AFRINIC having multiple orders of magnitude less IPv4 address space than
ARIN does.

Policy statement:

Add the following sentence after the first sentence of NRPM 8.4:

Inter-RIR transfers may take place to an RIR with a non-reciprocal inter-RIR
transfer policy only when the recipient RIR has an IPv4 total inventory less
than the average (mean) of the IPv4 total inventory among all of the RIRs.

Timetable for implementation: Upon the ratification of any inter-RIR
transfer policy at another RIR that is one-way as described in the problem
statement.
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