[arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

[Mike Burns]

Hi Bill,

There are very few transfers into one-way recipient NIRs, nothing substantial that I can find.
Also this type of setup is the opposite of those free trade agreements, it means American exports and dollars flowing into our region.
I agree the best situation would be for every RIR to allow addresses to flow like packets, across borders.
I hope that will eventually be the case in the world and I will try to make it so.
This is a step towards that.

Regards,
Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us] 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:02 PM
To: Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com>
Cc: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>; ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
> May I point out that despite reciprocity with APNIC, almost no 
> addresses have flowed from APNIC to ARIN?  I think less than a /17 in 
> aggregate since the first interregional transfer in 2012.
>
> You are correct in your expectation that actual transfers aren't 
> symmetrical, because they respond to market forces.
>
> As far as this policy opening the door or setting a dangerous 
> precedent, may I point out that this one-way policy has been 
> operational for years regarding certain Asian NIRs, and the precedent has not proved dangerous.

Yeah. Market forces. The APNIC NIR non-reciprocity scam has nothing to do with the imbalance.


> I talked to some LACNIC members who expressed an unusual fear to me, a 
> fear based on the difference in economic realities in the Southern 
> versus the Northern Hemisphere in the Americas. The fear was that 
> poorer LACNIC members would decide to re-engineer their networks to 
> take maximum advantage of CGNAT for the purposes of selling their 
> addresses, and the fear is that these sales will be to the richer 
> regions of the world, resulting in outflow and degraded local 
> Internet.  Thus a potential danger is present in some minds which a unidirectional policy would obviate.

LACNIC need not participate in cross-region transfers. Every free trade agreement between has been to our southern neighbors' benefit.
If they don't want another, why should that be our problem?

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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