[arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

Wed Apr 19 16:27:46 EDT 2017

Susan,

At the moment there are 7 messages sent by list members in my inbox (by Brett, Scott, Jason, Kirubel and Josh). All are copied to arin-ppml at arin.net and I received them.

If my messages were posted to ppml for all on the list to see, as you wrote, why did not I receive in my mail if all the messages posted by the members I receive?

My two messages were sent with copy to arin-ppml at arin.net and, as a member of the list, I did not receive them in my mail inbox.

I'm not referring to messages sent to marilson.mapa at gmail.com. I'm referring to the messages I've created that should be sent to members via arin-ppml at arin.net.

I am a member of RIPE's anti-abuse-wg. When I send a message to group members, via anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net, the anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net resends messages to anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net and all Members receive the message including the author of the message.

In ARIN, if my messages were being posted to members it would be via arin-ppml at arin.net and I would be receiving my message as well. Since I do not get the messages I send, it's because they are not being posted.
Being archived, means nothing. If I am persona non grata, you must have the decency to warn, so I will not waste time. Staying in or out of your list to me is absolutely indifferent, just do not waste my time.

I'll ask you again: Why are not my messages being posted to list members?

Thanks
Marilson

From: Susan Hamlin 
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:19 AM
To: marilson.mapa at gmail.com 
Cc: Wendy Leedy 
Subject: FW: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

Hello Marilson,

I asked our Operations staff to look into our email log to see if they could find any issues.

According to our logs, “we sent marilson.mapa at gmail.com copies of the messages he/she sent. The Gmail servers accepted the messages from us. What Gmail did with it after that is beyond our ability to see.”

I am subscribed to ppml and did receive your email. Your messages were posted to ppml for all on the list to see and they also appear in the archives, meaning that they were received on the list so that all subscribers saw them.

At this point I don’t think there is anything else we can do on our end. Perhaps it is worth checking on your end to see if the message back to you was hung up in some manner.

Regards,

Susan

Susan Hamlin

Director, Communications and Member Services

American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

Office – 1.703.227.9851

Mobile – 1.703.930.6094

www.arin.net

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     Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

      Date: 
     Mon, 17 Apr 2017 18:18:01 -0300

      From: 
     Marilson mailto:marilson.mapa at gmail.com

      Reply-To: 
     Marilson mailto:marilson.mapa at gmail.com

      To: 
     ARIN mailto:info at arin.net

Are you kidding?

You dont answer my question: Why are not my comments being posted to arin-ppml? I don't receive what I send for arin-ppml.

I am not writing to files. I'm writing to list members.

I did not know there were censors in this organization. My condolences! But I confess I'm not surprised. I would be surprised if there were no sensors.

I mean, if I put a topic for discussion or ask a question, it goes to the file, and the idiot here stay waiting for comments that will never come? Is that it? There is a censor who decides what can be discussed in this list?

Have at least the decency to give an honest answer so I do not waste any more time.

Thanks

Marilson

From: ARIN 

Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 2:33 PM

To: Marilson 

Subject: Re: Fw: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

Dear Marilson, 

Thank you for your email and inquiry. Your post appears in the archives at http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2017-April/031368.html. 

If you have additional questions, or if I may be of further assistance, please feel free to contact me. 

Thank you for your involvement in and support of ARIN! 

Best regards, 
Wendy 

Wendy Leedy
Member Engagement Coordinator
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)  

On 4/16/17 5:10 AM, Marilson wrote:

  Why are not my comments being posted to arin-ppml? I don't receive what I send for arin-ppml.

  Marilson

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  From: Marilson 

  Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 5:42 PM

  To: Bartlett Morgan ; calderon.alfredo at gmail.com 

  Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net 

  Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

  Hi Morgan,

  To my novice eyes, but tired and disappointed, I find it rather appropriate that the entity responsible for the management and allocation of IP address blocks adopt punitive measures against those who interfere in the free internet or in the inappropriate use of those services.

  Who decides? The evidence. And the Internet community seems to be the only one capable of putting punitive measures into practice.

  No matter who we are or what we do, commitment to democracy should always be part of our activities.

  The owners of these resources is the population of the planet. RIRs manage these resources on behalf of this population and should effectively manage without omitting and transferring that responsibility to governments or to their ISP customers.

  I say this because, just as there are autocratic governments, there are bad ISPs who arrogantly refuse to punish clients with illicit activities even in the face of evidence. And in the face of these bad providers, governments, without exception, turn a blind eye. They are more concerned about employment within their territory even at the expense of the population being the victim of spammers and scammers.

  This situation explains and does not justify the 420 billion spam and scam per day (Cisco).

  Never so few done so much harm to so many.

  No more shutdowns.

  No more denying access to information and knowledge.

  No more bad ISPs.

  Even with Trump!

  Marilson

  From: Bartlett Morgan 

  Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:12 AM

  To: calderon.alfredo at gmail.com 

  Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net 

  Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Interesting policy proposal in AFRINIC

  Doesn't seem like the most workable policy to my novice eyes.  

  Is it really a good idea to convert RIRs into the internet police? 

  if we think it is a good idea, who decides what's a proper case for implementation?

  On Apr 14, 2017 8:48 AM, "Alfredo Calderon" <calderon.alfredo at gmail.com> wrote:

    The discussion is very interesting and, could have consequences in ARIN if reciprocity policies are adopted among RIR?

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    On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Cj Aronson <cja at daydream.com> wrote:

      Recently an article about the proposal (link below to policy text and article) was posted to the RIPE policy list.  This policy being discussed in AFRINIC is very interesting and different than any proposal I have seen so far.  I thought you all might be interested in reading the text.   It basically restricts access to IP addresses to governments who shut down Internet access.  

      https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01

      The article about the proposal is here

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/12/no_ip_addresses_for_countries/

      Enjoy! 

      ----Cathy

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