[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 128, Issue 7

Thu Feb 18 16:18:51 EST 2016

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
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> Rent and profit seeking?
> That horse has long left the barn. But it's telling that arguments against this policy reveal themselves to be ideological in nature.
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> Speculation?  Only existing in fevered imaginations. Absent in RIPE despite its "encouragement/enablement". Still waiting for evidence of speculation, care to share any?

The existence of your company and other "brokers" isn't evidence
enough that people want to make money solely by buying and selling v4
resources?

Methinks you fail to see the forest for the trees!

Regards,

McTim

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> I support this overdue relaxing of outdated inhibitors to normal business practices and to accurate registration.
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> Mike
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> Sent from my Sprint phone
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dani Roisman
> Date:02/18/2016 3:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 128, Issue 7
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> I support this re-write of the previous draft, and agree with the removal of the 8.4 language at this stage (8.4 transfers should get separate attention due to the tie-in with other RIRs).  When I defended this proposal in Montreal, I had may people come up to me after the session had ended who expressed their support.
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> I would ask that those of you who *do* think the time has come to shift ARIN focus away from an inhibiting role, and instead prioritize accurate documentation of IPv4 market-induced transfers, please speak up now.  The ARIN AC and membership needs to hear views of not only those opposed to this proposal.
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> Dani Roisman
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>
> | -----Original Message-----
> | Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:12:54 +0000
> | From: Leif Sawyer <lsawyer at gci.com>
> | To: ARIN PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> | Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based
> | evaluation for Section 8.2 and 8.3 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
> | Message-ID:
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> | prd02.gci.com>
> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252
> |
> | Good afternoon -
> |
> |   Based on feedback from Montreal as well as internal discussions, I've
> | reworked this policy.
> | AC members and ARIN staff are looking for additional feedback, as well as
> | your position in terms
> | of supporting or opposing this draft policy.
> |
> |   We'll be discussing this policy, as well as any feedback provided on this
> | week's AC teleconference,
> | so I'm very appreciative of your input.
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> |   Leif Sawyer
> |   Shepherd - ARIN-2015-9
> |
> | NRPM section 8: https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#eight
> |
> | Most current draft policy text follows:
> | --
> |
> | Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9
> |     Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2 and 8.3 transfers of IPv4
> | netblocks
> | Original Date: 23 September 2015
> | Updated: 16 February, 2016
> |
> | Problem statement:
> | The current needs-based evaluation language in NRPM sections 8.2 and 8.3,
> | regarding transfer of IPv4
> | netblocks from one organization to another, may cause a recipient
> | organization to bypass the ARIN
> | registry entirely in order to secure the needed IPv4 netblocks in a more
> | timely fashion directly from the
> | current holder. The result is that the data visible in ARIN registry may become
> | more inaccurate over
> | time.
> |
> | Policy statement:
> | This proposal eliminates all needs-based evaluation language for sections 8.2
> | and 8.3, allowing
> | transfers to be reflected in the database as they occur following an
> | agreement of transfer from the
> | resource provider to the recipient.
> |
> | Section 8.1 Principles:
> | - Strike the fragment from the 3rd paragraph which reads
> | ", based on justified need, "
> | so the resulting text reads
> | "Number resources are issued to organizations, not to individuals
> | representing those organizations."
> | Section 8.2 Mergers and Acquisitions:
> | - Change the 4th bullet from:
> | "The resources to be transferred will be subject to ARIN policies."
> | to:
> | "The resources to be transferred will be subject to ARIN policies, excluding
> | any policies related to needs-based justification."
> |
> | - Strike the final paragraph which begins "In the event that number resources
> | of the combined organizations are no longer justified under ARIN policy ..."
> |
> | Section 8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region:
> | - Change the first bullet under "Conditions on recipient of the transfer" from:
> | "The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IP
> | address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an RSA."
> | to:
> | "The recipient must sign an RSA."
> |
> | - Change the 2nd bullet under "Conditions on recipient of the transfer" from:
> | "The resources to be transferred will be subject to ARIN policies."
> | to:
> | "The resources to be transferred will be subject to ARIN policies, excluding
> | any policies related to needs-based justification."
> |
> | Comments:
> | a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate
> | b. Anything else
> | As the "free pool" for 4 of the 5 world's RIR's (APNIC, RIPE, LACNIC, and
> | ARIN) have now been
> | exhausted, networks in need of additional IPv4 addresses have shifted away
> | from the practice of
> | receiving them from the RIR's resource pool. Instead, networks in need are
> | seeking out current holders
> | of IPv4 resources who are willing to transfer them in order to fulfill that need.
> | Accordingly, the RIR's
> | primary responsibility vis-?-vis IPv4 netblock governance has shifted from
> | "allocation" to ensuring an
> | accurate registry database.
> |
> | The RIPE registry can be used as a reference of one which has evolved over
> | the past couple years to
> | shift their focus away from conservation/allocation and towards database
> | accuracy. IPv4 netblock
> | transfers within that RIR consist merely of validating authenticity of the
> | parties requesting a transfer.
> | Provided the organizations meet the basic requirement of RIR membership,
> | and that the transferring
> | organization has the valid authority to request the transfer, the transaction
> | completes without any
> | "needs-based" review.
> |
> |
> |
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Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel