[arin-ppml] 2-byte ASN policy

[Jose R. de la Cruz III]

I do agree with Owen in that every holder of resources is responsible for
their timely bookkeeping.
About the 2-byte ASN's, should they be recycled? Or should they just be
retired?

José

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 22:43 , David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
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> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm at rollernet.us> wrote:
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>>
>> If the ASN gets legitimately issued to someone else and the squatter
>> proceeds to hijack it from the legitimate registrant they should be turned
>> off if the ISP is going to do the right thing according to whois.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
> If you forgot to pay your bill and ARIN reissues your ASN, it's a matter
> of perspective who the hijacker is.
>
>
> If you forgot to pay your bill _AND_ forgot to update your contact info
> _AND_ let that state of affairs remain so long that ARIN re-issued your
> resources to someone else, then I have little sympathy for you.
>
> I did, in fact, encounter a situation where an employer (actually a
> company acquired by said employer) had done just that and while I did my
> best to resolve it with ARIN we ultimately ended up ceding the space. (This
> was for IP Addresses, not an ASN, but still seems similar to me).
>
> I'm not saying it's OK to not pay your bill, but how punitive should we be
> asking ARIN staff to be?  Especially, if ARIN staff has every reason to
> believe the organization using the ASN is the original registrant?  And if
> we the internet routing community are not will to be the bad guys and stop
> routing it after ARIN staff signals us by removing it from the registry.
> When what are we really expecting?
>
>
> If ARIN has reason to believe they are the original registrant, we should
> make an effort to contact and warn them. If their contacts are out of date,
> then I think we have no real basis for believing it to be the original
> organization and even if it is, they kind of made their own bed.
>
> I’ve found ARIN to be very helpful if you respond when they contact you or
> if you contact them while they still can do something about it.
>
> We're not being very forthright, if we ask ARIN staff to break things that
> we the internet routing community are not will to break ourselves.
>
>
> We went through this with IPv4 addresses and it was made quite clear ahead
> of time that the timeframe for IPv4 hold-down was going to be reduced.
> Perhaps we should publish ASN hold-down times and then move forward
> accordingly?
>
> Do we really need to recycle these ASN bad enough to cause intentional
> breakage?  Then we need to stop using them in the internet routing system!
>
>
> Yes. I suspect there’s more of them being used for mischief than there are
> people who merely forgot to pay their bills.
>
> I am not necessarily in favor of continuing the 2-byte ASN mythos, but I
> am in favor of cleaning up the internet.
>
> Owen
>
>
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