[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

[Steven Ryerse]

From Owen’s Comments below: “What inequity?   You haven’t yet shown one.”

With run-out here, it is time to turn that around.  You need to prove that Needs Testing is still needed in the post Run-Out period.  Everything has changed and it is a different Internet world we are now living in.  Since removal of Needs Testing has NOT been tried in this RIR, you are just guessing what the effect on available resources will be.

Elvis made a pretty good argument in this thread that Needs Testing is no longer needed.  He describes what is happening in real life with resources in other RIR’s which counter your argument – and it is not a guess.  It’s pretty obvious that if needs testing goes away, Legacy blocks will become much more available to anyone who needs them, and as Elvis indicated the Database will become much more accurate.

When any small Organization requesting a very small amount of resources is completely denied resources because of arbitrary “policy”, ARIN has done the opposite of the Mission it was founded to perform!  As I said the time has come to fix this inequity and embrace the new Internet world we are now in.

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From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:48 PM
To: Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks


On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:48 , Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com<mailto:SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>> wrote:

Owens comment from below:
“2. To the extent that there is supply, anyone who needs addresses can get them already. Needs-based evaluation does not prevent those with need from getting addresses… It prevents those without need from getting them.”

Owen’s comment is absolutely false!!!!!  It allows large organizing who request resources to get what they need or something smaller.  It allows medium size organizations who request resources to get what they need or something smaller.  It allows small organizations who request resources to get what they need or nothing, and there is no other source to get resources if ARIN rejects a request, but the open market which Owen and others seem to wish did not exist!

This is patently false.

Many small organizations have gotten resources from ARIN.

I have no problem with the open market so long as it conforms to the same needs-basis evaluations that were used for free pool assignments/allocations.

Sure, organizations with larger needs have the option of getting less resources than they need, but I don’t see how that differs from what I said.

Organizations with small needs can get what they need, assuming there is supply. I did not distinguish between supply from the market and supply from the free pool as I believe the rules should apply the same regardless of the source of resources.

You say my statement is false and then go on to confirm that it is actually true.

It is time to fix this inequity and removing needs tests would be a big help to small organizations who really need resources!

What inequity?

You haven’t yet shown one.

Owen

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