[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use - revised

[Martin Hannigan]

John, 

I believe its a norm to expect paid staff to be neutral with respect to all proposals as many consensus bodies  do. ICANN would be a good reference. Feel free to object. 

Best,

-M<



> On Sep 11, 2015, at 20:26, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For those that are wondering if this is a real problem…
>> 
>> I quote from a recent ARIN response to a resource transfer preapproval request:
>> 
>>  In accordance with section 2.2 of the NRPM, ARIN issues number resources for use within its region. Please confirm the requested number resources will be routed within the ARIN region. 
>> 
>> If one takes this language literally, then the scenario where you have servers in USVI that you are addressing, but your anchor routes are held in upstream routers in Brazil and Uruguay would actually potentially preclude you from getting addresses from ARIN.
>> 
>> This policy is, in fact, necessary to constrain ARIN staff and provide a clear mechanism by which ARIN region entities can obtain addresses through ARIN for their network, regardless of how far the footprint of their network extends.
>> 
>> We all know that geography != topology. Further, the arbitrary lines drawn on a map with passport control stations sprinkled on either side mean very little to bits flowing through fiber. There are no border guards on the fiber networks, or if there are, they are generally not national border guards anyway.
>> 
>> As such, unless you believe this policy causes actual harm, I urge you to support it.
> 
> Owen - 
> 
> While I have no view on the relative merits of the referenced draft policy, I believe your
> description of ARIN’s present policy implementation in this area is essentially correct
> (and aligns with what was communicated in the ARIN 31 Policy Experience Report  - 
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_31/PDF/monday/nobile_policy.pdf)
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
> 
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