[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

[Jason Schiller]

Owen,

So does this text cover your proposal then?

Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2
Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

Date: 26 May 2015

Problem Statement:

Organizations that obtain a 24 month supply of IP addresses via the
transfer market and then have an unexpected change in business plan
are unable to move IP addresses to the proper RIR within the first 12
months of receipt.

Policy statement:

Replace 8.4, bullet 4, to read:

"> Source entities within the ARIN region must not have received a
    transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number resources
    from ARIN for the 12 months prior to the approval of a transfer
    request.
     - This restriction does not include M&A transfers.
     - This restriction does not include a transfer to a wholly owned
        subsidiary out side of the ARIN service region
        if the recipient org will be required to not transfer any IP space
        for the remaining balance of 12 month window."


On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> On May 28, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> How does that differ from the policy text I sent?
>
> Can you send an idea of policy text?
>
> I thought the text I sent said that an ARIN org can transfer IPs out to
> another wholely owned subsidiary in another RIR region if they have been
> the recipient of transfer in less that 12 months IF the recipient org will
> be required (read by recipient's RIR policy) to hold the transfered
> resource for the balance of the 12 months.
>
> Your proposal allows substitution.
>
> ARIN->Other RIR space A
> Space B Other RIR-> Money/etc.
>
> I want to see substitution transfers prohibited.
>
> Owen
>
> ___Jason
> On May 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> Or simply not permit it under ARIN policy until such exists.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> > On May 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > On May 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My suggestion is that I don't mind (virtually) unrestricted moves of
>> addresses to different regions staying with the same organization. However,
>> if we are to allow that, I want us to find a way that you can't merely use
>> that as a way to move addresses out of flip protection to then flip them to
>> another organization via an RIR with a less restrictive transfer policy.
>> >>
>> >> So... If you transfer addresses to another region, keeping them in the
>> same organization, no penalty. However, you are not allowed to subsequently
>> transfer them (or other addresses in that region) to an external party for
>> at least 12 months.
>> >
>> > That second portion that you seek would affect the ongoing operation of
>> > another RIR, i.e. it requires them having some explicit policy to that
>> effect.
>> >
>> > To obtain the result you seek, we either need globally coordinated
>> transfer
>> > policy in this area, or you need to make the inter-RIR transfer policy
>> explicit
>> > in this regard in determination of compatibility.
>> >
>> > /John
>> >
>> > John Curran
>> > President and CEO
>> > ARIN
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>


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