<div dir="ltr"><div>Owen,</div><div><br></div>So does this text cover your proposal then?<div><br></div><div><span class="im" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2<br>Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)<br><br></span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Date: 26 May 2015</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span class="im" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>Problem Statement:<br><br>Organizations that obtain a 24 month supply of IP addresses via the<br>transfer market and then have an unexpected change in business plan<br>are unable to move IP addresses to the proper RIR within the first 12<br>months of receipt.<br><br>Policy statement:<br><br>Replace 8.4, bullet 4, to read:<br><br>"> Source entities within the ARIN region must not have received a</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> transfer, allocation, or assignment of </span><span class="im" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">IPv4 number resources </span></div><div><span class="im" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> from ARIN for the 12 months prior to the approval of a transfer </span></div><div><span class="im" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> request.<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> - This restriction does not include M&A transfers.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> - This restriction does not include a transfer to a wholly owned</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> subsidiary out side of the ARIN service region</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> if the recipient org will be required to not transfer any IP space</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> for the remaining balance of 12 month window."</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 28, 2015, at 6:46 AM, Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com" target="_blank">jschiller@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><p dir="ltr">Owen,</p><p dir="ltr">How does that differ from the policy text I sent?</p><p dir="ltr">Can you send an idea of policy text?</p><p dir="ltr">I thought the text I sent said that an ARIN org can transfer IPs out to another wholely owned subsidiary in another RIR region if they have been the recipient of transfer in less that 12 months IF the recipient org will be required (read by recipient's RIR policy) to hold the transfered resource for the balance of the 12 months.</p><div><br></div></div></blockquote></span>Your proposal allows substitution.</div><div><br></div><div>ARIN->Other RIR space A</div><div>Space B Other RIR-> Money/etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I want to see substitution transfers prohibited.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div></font></span><span class=""><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">___Jason</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Or simply not permit it under ARIN policy until such exists.<br>
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> On May 28, 2015, at 1:49 PM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net" target="_blank">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On May 27, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> My suggestion is that I don't mind (virtually) unrestricted moves of addresses to different regions staying with the same organization. However, if we are to allow that, I want us to find a way that you can't merely use that as a way to move addresses out of flip protection to then flip them to another organization via an RIR with a less restrictive transfer policy.<br>
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>> So... If you transfer addresses to another region, keeping them in the same organization, no penalty. However, you are not allowed to subsequently transfer them (or other addresses in that region) to an external party for at least 12 months.<br>
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> That second portion that you seek would affect the ongoing operation of<br>
> another RIR, i.e. it requires them having some explicit policy to that effect.<br>
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> To obtain the result you seek, we either need globally coordinated transfer<br>
> policy in this area, or you need to make the inter-RIR transfer policy explicit<br>
> in this regard in determination of compatibility.<br>
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> /John<br>
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> John Curran<br>
> President and CEO<br>
> ARIN<br>
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