[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

[Matthew Kaufman]

And if they're small enough, they can't afford any IP space on the 
transfer market... but then, yes, either the free /22 should be enough 
or maybe they can't afford to be in China anyway.

Eventually all large blocks of IPv4 space will be very expensive... and 
changing ARIN policy isn't going to make that any less true or any more 
"fair".

Matthew Kaufman

On 5/27/2015 9:51 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
> How is it not possible for a "small" (but big enough to require more than the /22 they can get free from APNIC) operator in China to acquire IPv4 space in the ARIN market and move it ARIN->APNIC->CNNIC? There are lots of brokers who are happy to help execute such transactions if the small operator doesn't have the expertise themselves.
>
> Scott
>
>> On May 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>> The large multinational actor has the option of buying space in the ARIN market and moving it ARIN->APNIC->CNNIC.
>>
>> The small operator in China has trouble competing with the large multinational actor because the small actor has no such option for obtaining IPv4 addresses.
>>
>> (As one example)
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>> On May 27, 2015, at 1:14 AM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> I don't understand your position.
>>>
>>> There's no free pool. All space comes from the market.
>>>
>>> A small actor pays money to get her necessary space from the market.
>>> A large actor pays money to get her necessary space from the market.
>>>
>>> How does the large actor moving space they hold from ARIN to CNNIC disadvantage the small actor?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:55 PM
>>>> To: David Huberman
>>>> Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net)
>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR
>>>> Transfers to Specified Recipients)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:38 PM, David Huberman
>>>> <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> A good actor has no choice but to get around Statement 1 by
>>>>> transferring the block to a different OrgID in ARIN via NRPM 8.2, then
>>>>> doing an inter-RIR transfer to APNIC (and then to CNNIC).  BGP can now
>>>> occur.
>>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> That's a "good" actor? This sort of corrupt behavior that benefits multi-
>>>> national organizations at the expense of local operators is why I argued
>>>> against inter-RIR transfers in the first place. I doubt I'll win this argument
>>>> either, but at least someone will have gone on record calling a spade a spade.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bill Herrin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us Owner,
>>>> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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