[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

[Scott Leibrand]

How is it not possible for a "small" (but big enough to require more than the /22 they can get free from APNIC) operator in China to acquire IPv4 space in the ARIN market and move it ARIN->APNIC->CNNIC? There are lots of brokers who are happy to help execute such transactions if the small operator doesn't have the expertise themselves.

Scott

> On May 27, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
> The large multinational actor has the option of buying space in the ARIN market and moving it ARIN->APNIC->CNNIC.
> 
> The small operator in China has trouble competing with the large multinational actor because the small actor has no such option for obtaining IPv4 addresses.
> 
> (As one example)
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On May 27, 2015, at 1:14 AM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bill, 
>> 
>> I don't understand your position.
>> 
>> There's no free pool. All space comes from the market.
>> 
>> A small actor pays money to get her necessary space from the market.
>> A large actor pays money to get her necessary space from the market.
>> 
>> How does the large actor moving space they hold from ARIN to CNNIC disadvantage the small actor?
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:55 PM
>>> To: David Huberman
>>> Cc: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net)
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR
>>> Transfers to Specified Recipients)
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:38 PM, David Huberman
>>> <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> A good actor has no choice but to get around Statement 1 by
>>>> transferring the block to a different OrgID in ARIN via NRPM 8.2, then
>>>> doing an inter-RIR transfer to APNIC (and then to CNNIC).  BGP can now
>>> occur.
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> That's a "good" actor? This sort of corrupt behavior that benefits multi-
>>> national organizations at the expense of local operators is why I argued
>>> against inter-RIR transfers in the first place. I doubt I'll win this argument
>>> either, but at least someone will have gone on record calling a spade a spade.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill Herrin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us Owner,
>>> Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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