[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14: Needs Attestation for some IPv4 Transfers - Revised

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Thu Mar 12 14:22:05 EDT 2015


Your proposed language is clearer in the context of policy development, but would lack clarity when placed in the NRPM as “this requirement” becomes somewhat ambiguous.

 

Hi Owen,

 

It should be read not as “this requirement” but as “this requirement set”. Maybe it should read:

 

In addition, the recipient must meet one of the following requirement-sets:

 

...

4.Fewer than 5,000 transfers have completed under this requirement-set

 

?

 

Or the two requirement sets might be labeled clearly as the “Needs-tested” option and the “Needs-attested” option.

This comports with the current language of Line 4.

But so long as it is clear to everyone who considers the proposal I am fine with the current language.

 

Regards,
Mike

 

 

 

 

From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:55 PM
To: Mike Burns
Cc: andrew.dul at quark.net; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14: Needs Attestation for some IPv4 Transfers - Revised

 

Mike,

 

Your proposed language is clearer in the context of policy development, but would lack clarity when placed in the NRPM as “this requirement” becomes somewhat ambiguous.

 

Owen

 

On Mar 12, 2015, at 08:08 , Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> > wrote:

 

On 2/24/2015 9:17 AM, ARIN wrote:



ARIN-2014-14 has been revised. This draft policy is open for 
discussion on this mailing list.

ARIN-2014-14 is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_14.html

Regards,

Communications and Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)


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Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14
Needs Attestation for some IPv4 Transfers

Date: 24 Feb 2015

Problem Statement:

The process of 'needs testing' or 'needs basis' allocation has evolved 
over the history of the Internet registry system. The earliest number 
resource policy required that an operator intend to use the number 
resources on an operational Internet Protocol network before the 
resource would be registered to an organization. Organizations were 
assigned either a Class A, B, or C block roughly depending on the 
organization's size. With the implementation of CIDR, additional 
'needs testing' was done to right size allocations to fit 
organizations. These testing requirements continued to evolve under 
various organizations prior to the RIRs inception and then later 
formally under the RIR's policy development process.

In the 2000s, ARIN began a systematic "trust but verify" process for
IPv4 requests. This was necessary due to both IPv4 address 
registration hijackings in ARIN Whois and the accelerated amount of 
systematic fraud being perpetrated on ARIN.

As IPv4 exhaustion occurred, some RIRs have reconsidered the necessity 
of some of the needs testing requirements and implemented policies 
which reduced the requirements on organizations to show need or 
utilization for some transfer transactions with the RIR.

The cost of performing a needs assessment and auditing of this 
information vs. the public benefit of restricting allocations to 
specifically qualified organizations has been noted by some 
organizations to be out of alignment. The ability to predict future 
use toward a 24-month utilization rate can also be challenging for 
some organizations and relies on projections and estimates rather than 
verifiable facts. Thus, the current needs testing requirements may be 
more than is necessary and desirable for small transfers. This policy 
seeks to reduce the complexity of transfers by removing the 
utilization needs testing requirement and replacing it with a needs 
attestation by a corporate officer.

Additionally, other requirements are placed around the 'needs 
attestation only' requirement to reduce the Number Resource 
Community's concern that this type of policy could be abused for 
speculation or hording. Furthermore, the policy includes a sunset 
clause to limit the total number of transfers under this policy 
proposal. This sunset is intended to force the community to reexamine 
the success or failure of the practices contained in this policy proposal.

Policy statement:

Section 8.3

Replace the 'Conditions on recipient of the transfer' with the 
following conditions.

Conditions on recipient of the transfer:

 The organization must sign an RSA.

 The resources transferred will be subject to current ARIN policies.

In addition, the recipient must meet one of the following requirements
sets:



 

 


1. The organization must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month 
supply of IP address resources under current ARIN policies.

OR

1.The organization, its parent(s), or subsidiary organizations, must 
not have received IPv4 address resources, via transfer, within the 
past 12 months.

2.An officer of the organization must attest that the IPv4 address 
block is needed for and will be used on an operational network.

3.The maximum transfer size is /20.

4.Fewer than 5,000 needs attestation transfers have occurred.


Section 8.4

Replace the 'Conditions on recipient of the transfer' with the 
following conditions.

Conditions on recipient of the transfer:

 The conditions on a recipient outside of the ARIN region will be
 defined by the policies of the receiving RIR.

 Recipients within the ARIN region will be subject to current ARIN
 policies and sign an RSA for the resources being received.

 The minimum transfer size is a /24.

In addition, the recipient must meet one of the following requirements
sets:

1. The organization must demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month 
supply of IP address resources under current ARIN policies.

OR

1.The organization, its parent(s), or subsidiary organizations, must 
not have received IPv4 address resources, via transfer, within the 
past 12 months.

2.An officer of the organization must attest that the IPv4 address 
block is needed for and will be used on an operational network.

3.The maximum transfer size is /20.

4.Fewer than 5,000 needs attestation transfers have occurred.

Comments:

Timetable for implementation: Immediate 
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Hi Andrew,

I think it would be clearer if the line:

4.Fewer than 5,000 needs attestation transfers have occurred.

Was changed to: 

4. Fewer than 5,000 transfers under this requirement set have completed.

But I would support it with the current language. 
The maximum number of addresses which could be transferred in aggregate
under this policy is 1.25 /8 equivalents.
And at the current rate of transfers this would take years.
Does anybody still fear damaging market manipulation could occur under this
policy?

Regards,
Mike Burns
 <http://iptrading.com/> IPTrading.com

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