[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

[Gary T. Giesen]

Andrew,

As an aside, why make it only for IPv4 end users? Is there any reason not to do it for v6 as well?

GTG

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Dul [mailto:andrew.dul at quark.net]
> Sent: July 14, 2015 3:12 PM
> To: Gary T. Giesen; 'Andrew Dul'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4
> End-Users
> 
> The intention is to allow for end-users to be able to add reassignment
> records to the database.  As noted in the policy proposal, this idea has an
> impact of the fee categories, because the ability to add reassignment records
> traditionally has been one of the differences between ISPs and end-users.
> 
> I think we need to consider if the categories of IPv4 ISP and end-users have
> any significance now that the IPv4 free pool has been exhausted.
> 
> I will let ARIN staff comment on the cost/workload aspects of this change
> idea.
> 
> The fees themselves are the purview of the board.  Since this policy changes
> the service levels that ARIN would provide to end-users one might expect
> that the fee levels might change for organizations which choose to take
> advantage of the additional functionality.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On 7/14/2015 8:08 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Is it your intention to create a single class of users (ie. no more End-User vs
> ISP), or maintain the distinction? I'd like to see end-users be able to SWIP,
> but I'd don't want to see their costs increase because of it. Also, ISPs will
> argue if end-users can SWIP (which is probably the biggest technical
> distinction between the two right now ) and pay far less, they'll either argue
> their fees should be lowered, the end users fees should be raised, or try to
> game the system by applying as end-users.
> >
> > Do we have any indication from ARIN staff as to what the implications in
> terms of cost/workload would be if end-users would be allowed to SWIP?
> Again, if the impact is minimal (ie no raising of end-user fees) and sufficient
> language was put around who they could SWIP to (ie only organizations in
> which the parent owns a controlling share, etc) then I would support this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > GTG
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> >> On Behalf Of Andrew Dul
> >> Sent: July 13, 2015 11:31 AM
> >> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for
> >> IPv4 End- Users
> >>
> >> The AC has been discussing the following ideas on their list and I
> >> have drafted the following policy proposal as an outcome.  We are
> >> posting the ideas and proposal here to PPML for community discussion.
> >> This draft has not been submitted formally to the PDP process at this
> >> point.  I believed having initial feedback from the community before
> >> submitting would be a valuable addition before going into the formal
> process.
> >>
> >> You comments are welcome.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> ====
> >>
> >> Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0
> >>
> >> 1.    Policy Proposal Name: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
> >>
> >> 4.    Problem Statement:
> >>
> >> End-User Organizations do not have the ability to create reassignment
> >> records in the number resource database.
> >>
> >> Reassignment records can be used for a number of different functions
> >> which could benefit the overall desire to increase database accuracy
> >> by allowing organizations to add additional details in the database.
> >>
> >> The following reasons have been noted as positive reasons to allow
> >> the creation of additional records.
> >> -    Geolocation (allows an organization to specify a different location
> >> within the database which is used by organizations creating
> >> geo-location by IP address databases)
> >> -    Subsidiary reassignment (allows an organization to note that a
> >> portion of their netblock is in use by a different subsidiary entity)
> >> -    Assignment to contracted parties (some organizations have contracts
> >> with other organizations which are operating networks under
> >> agreements with the registrant, this allows the top-level
> >> organizations to accurately specify the organization operating the
> >> network in the number resource
> >> database)
> >> -    More specific contact information (some organizations operate large
> >> networks which don’t necessarily have the same technical or abuse
> >> contact
> >> information)
> >>
> >>
> >> 5.    Policy statement:
> >>
> >> Create new section 4.3.x
> >>
> >> End-user organizations which have an active registration services
> >> agreement shall be permitted to create reassignment records in the
> >> number resource database.  Organizations shall use the guidelines
> >> outlined in section 4.2.3 when creating reassignment records.
> >>
> >> 6.    Comments:
> >>      a.    Timetable for implementation: immediately
> >>      b.    Anything else:
> >>
> >> It is noted by the author of this policy proposal that one of the
> >> distinctions in the service between ISPs and End-Users has been the
> >> ability for an organization to create reassignment records.
> >>
> >> This policy proposal stretches across responsibilities areas as it
> >> impacts number policy, ARIN operational practice, and fees.
> >>
> >> Below we have noted the three areas and the different responsibilities:
> >>
> >>
> >> A)    Providing reassignment support for end-user assignments, for those
> >> who wish to use it
> >>
> >> This is an ARIN Service issue - could be an suggestion/consultation
> >> process, so long as any implied additional workload/cost can be
> >> accommodated in budget and the community supports
> >>
> >> B) New requirement on end-users to provide reassignment information
> >> in certain circumstances so that ARIN will treat their usage
> >> assertion credibly
> >>
> >> This is a policy issue.  These requirements should be vetted through
> >> the policy development process.
> >>
> >> C)    Fee Implications of ISPs moving to end-user category
> >>
> >> This is Board issue, but first requires a community discussion or
> >> consultation to be held to solicit community input on desired outcome.
> >>
> >>
> >> ====
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