[arin-ppml] ARIN-2014-21

Rudolph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Thu Jan 8 22:50:05 EST 2015


I am in support of the draft policy...however, if David is correct, and I
notice that John differs on that...re runout timescale, then
options 3&4 do not look acceptable.

And the Dul modified text, does seem to add clarity ..certainly on my
mind....But i have not seen any further comments on the modified draft.
RD
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size
      per Section 4.4 (David Farmer)
   2. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size
      per Section 4.4 (Scott Leibrand)
   3. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size
      per Section 4.4 (John Curran)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:33:25 -0600
From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI
        Pool Size per Section 4.4
Message-ID: <54AF2FE5.7030803 at umn.edu>
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Now that we are on the other side of the Holidays, I would like to
prompt a little more discussion of this Draft Policy.

On PPML, there have been 2 clear statements of support, no opposition, a
proposal to modify the policy text, primarily consisting of editorial
changes for the broader section 4.4, and significant side discussion not
directly related to the policy itself.

As shepherd, I anticipate this policy going to the PPC in San Antonio at
NANOG next month in its current state as a Draft policy.  Then
subsequent to and based on feedback from San Antonio, maybe making some
minor changes, advancing this policy to Recommended Draft policy prior
to the PPM in San Francisco in April.  Assuming no opposition develops
against the proposal.

On the current trajectory for this proposal implementation is likely
sometime in June, its entirely possible that the ARIN Free Pool would
have run out before implementation of this policy can take place.  There
are several options to deal with this issue;

   1. Advance the policy to Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San
      Antonio, moving likely implementation to sometime in April.

   2. Request that the Board instruct ARIN Staff to reserve a /16 in
      anticipation of this policy, imminently.  With this option a
      reservation could reasonably occur in February or March with
      policy implementation on its current trajectory, likely June.

   3. Stay on the current trajectory, get IPv4 address space for the
      policy from returned or recovered space address space, and what
      little if any space is the the ARIN Free Pool at implementation,
      likely June.  Its not likely there will be a single contiguous
      block, likely a hodgepodge of smaller blocks, and it may take a
      while to collect a /16 for the reservation.

   4. Do nothing, let events overtake the policy if they do, maybe
      abandoning the policy for lack of IPv4 address space late in the
      process.

There are likely other variations on these themes.

Regarding option #1: It might be possible to advance this proposal as-is
to Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San Antonio, at the January AC
meeting.  However, in order to justify recommending this to the AC, I
will need to see significantly more support for this policy on PPML
prior to the next AC meeting in two weeks.  Even then it is likely not
possible to advance the proposal prior to the PPC in San Antonio at this
point, its less than a month away.

I will raise option #2 with the AC at our meeting in two weeks.
However, for this options to even be considered, I'm quite sure that
both the AC and the Board will want to see significant community support
on PPML before they would moving forward with such an option.

I am interested to hear the community's opinions on the issue of this
policy and the timing of ARIN Free Pool run out.  Do you support any of
the above options?  Some other option?

So, if you support this policy, and particularly if you think this
policy should go to the PPC at NANOG in San Antonio in February as
Recommended Draft policy please speak up ASAP.

Do you have comments on or support the alternate text proposed in the
email at this link?
http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2014-December/029565.html

Finally, if anyone opposes this policy it is important to speak up, as
at this point no one has expressed any opposition to the policy at all.

Thanks and I look forward to your comments.

On 11/25/14 14:35 , ARIN wrote:
> On 20 November 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
> "ARIN-prop-213 Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4" as a Draft
> Policy.
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21 is below and can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html
>
> You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft
> Policy 2014-21 on the Public Policy Mailing List.
>
> The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance
> of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource
> Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:
>
>    * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>    * Technically Sound
>    * Supported by the Community
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
> ## * ##
>
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21
> Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4
>
> Date: 25 November 2014
>
> Problem Statement:
>
> At the time that this section of policy was written, IXP growth in North
> America was stagnant. Efforts of late have increased significantly
> within the IXP standards and other communities to improve critical
> infrastructure in North America. This effort is paying dividends and we
> project that a /16 will not be enough to continue to improve global
> interconnect conditions and support needed IXP CI infrastructure.
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Change to text in section 4.4 Micro Allocations:
>
> Current text:
>
> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /16 of IPv4 address space in a
> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4. If at
> the end of the policy term there is unused address space remaining in
> this pool, ARIN staff is authorized to utilize this space in a manner
> consistent with community expectations.
>
> Proposed text to replace current text entirely:
>
> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /15 of IPv4 address space in a
> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4.
>
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate


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David Farmer               Email: farmer at umn.edu
Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota
2218 University Ave SE     Phone: 1-612-626-0815
Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029  Cell: 1-612-812-9952
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 17:50:57 -0800
From: Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
To: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI
        Pool Size per Section 4.4
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How much is ARIN going to get from the next round of IANA returned space
distribution?  It's more than a /16, isn't it?

-Scott

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> Now that we are on the other side of the Holidays, I would like to prompt
> a little more discussion of this Draft Policy.
>
> On PPML, there have been 2 clear statements of support, no opposition, a
> proposal to modify the policy text, primarily consisting of editorial
> changes for the broader section 4.4, and significant side discussion not
> directly related to the policy itself.
>
> As shepherd, I anticipate this policy going to the PPC in San Antonio at
> NANOG next month in its current state as a Draft policy.  Then subsequent
> to and based on feedback from San Antonio, maybe making some minor
changes,
> advancing this policy to Recommended Draft policy prior to the PPM in San
> Francisco in April.  Assuming no opposition develops against the proposal.
>
> On the current trajectory for this proposal implementation is likely
> sometime in June, its entirely possible that the ARIN Free Pool would have
> run out before implementation of this policy can take place.  There are
> several options to deal with this issue;
>
>   1. Advance the policy to Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San
>      Antonio, moving likely implementation to sometime in April.
>
>   2. Request that the Board instruct ARIN Staff to reserve a /16 in
>      anticipation of this policy, imminently.  With this option a
>      reservation could reasonably occur in February or March with
>      policy implementation on its current trajectory, likely June.
>
>   3. Stay on the current trajectory, get IPv4 address space for the
>      policy from returned or recovered space address space, and what
>      little if any space is the the ARIN Free Pool at implementation,
>      likely June.  Its not likely there will be a single contiguous
>      block, likely a hodgepodge of smaller blocks, and it may take a
>      while to collect a /16 for the reservation.
>
>   4. Do nothing, let events overtake the policy if they do, maybe
>      abandoning the policy for lack of IPv4 address space late in the
>      process.
>
> There are likely other variations on these themes.
>
> Regarding option #1: It might be possible to advance this proposal as-is
> to Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San Antonio, at the January AC
> meeting.  However, in order to justify recommending this to the AC, I will
> need to see significantly more support for this policy on PPML prior to
the
> next AC meeting in two weeks.  Even then it is likely not possible to
> advance the proposal prior to the PPC in San Antonio at this point, its
> less than a month away.
>
> I will raise option #2 with the AC at our meeting in two weeks. However,
> for this options to even be considered, I'm quite sure that both the AC
and
> the Board will want to see significant community support on PPML before
> they would moving forward with such an option.
>
> I am interested to hear the community's opinions on the issue of this
> policy and the timing of ARIN Free Pool run out.  Do you support any of
the
> above options?  Some other option?
>
> So, if you support this policy, and particularly if you think this policy
> should go to the PPC at NANOG in San Antonio in February as Recommended
> Draft policy please speak up ASAP.
>
> Do you have comments on or support the alternate text proposed in the
> email at this link?
> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2014-December/029565.html
>
> Finally, if anyone opposes this policy it is important to speak up, as at
> this point no one has expressed any opposition to the policy at all.
>
> Thanks and I look forward to your comments.
>
>
> On 11/25/14 14:35 , ARIN wrote:
>
>> On 20 November 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
>> "ARIN-prop-213 Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4" as a Draft
>> Policy.
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21 is below and can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html
>>
>> You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft
>> Policy 2014-21 on the Public Policy Mailing List.
>>
>> The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance
>> of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource
>> Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:
>>
>>    * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>>    * Technically Sound
>>    * Supported by the Community
>>
>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>
>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Communications and Member Services
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>> ## * ##
>>
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21
>> Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4
>>
>> Date: 25 November 2014
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>> At the time that this section of policy was written, IXP growth in North
>> America was stagnant. Efforts of late have increased significantly
>> within the IXP standards and other communities to improve critical
>> infrastructure in North America. This effort is paying dividends and we
>> project that a /16 will not be enough to continue to improve global
>> interconnect conditions and support needed IXP CI infrastructure.
>>
>> Policy statement:
>>
>> Change to text in section 4.4 Micro Allocations:
>>
>> Current text:
>>
>> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /16 of IPv4 address space in a
>> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4. If at
>> the end of the policy term there is unused address space remaining in
>> this pool, ARIN staff is authorized to utilize this space in a manner
>> consistent with community expectations.
>>
>> Proposed text to replace current text entirely:
>>
>> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /15 of IPv4 address space in a
>> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4.
>>
>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>>
>
>
> --
> ================================================
> David Farmer               Email: farmer at umn.edu
> Office of Information Technology
> University of Minnesota
> 2218 University Ave SE     Phone: 1-612-626-0815
> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029  Cell: 1-612-812-9952
> ================================================
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:56:56 +0000
From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
To: Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI
        Pool Size per Section 4.4
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On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How much is ARIN going to get from the next round of IANA returned space
distribution?  It's more than a /16, isn't it?

Per the Global Policy for Post Exhaustion IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the
IANA,
the allocation size technically is set based on the recovered pool size at
the time of
the next allocation (1 March 2015).  If I recall correctly, the estimate is
that each RIR
will receive IPv4 space equivalent to a /12 block on that date.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN



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