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>    1. Weekly posting summary for ppml at arin.net (Thomas Narten)
>    2. Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015 (ARIN)
>    3. Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer
>       language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool (ARIN)
>    4. Re: Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015
>       (David Huberman)
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:25:42 -0500
> From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015
> Message-ID: <5679A3B6.8020202 at arin.net>
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> In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN
> Advisory Council (AC) met on 17 December 2015.
>
> Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and
> meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC
> recommended it for adoption (to be posted separately for discussion as a
> Recommended Draft Policy):
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only
> applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
>
> The AC abandoned the following:
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
>
> The AC provided the following statement, "The ARIN AC has voted to
> abandon draft proposal ARIN-2015-8. Although a number of participants at
> ARIN 36 and on the PPML indicated support for investigation of greater
> harmonization of the services provided by ARIN to ISPs and End-Users,
> this specific proposal had no substantial community
> support. In fact, those who addressed themselves to the specific
> proposal, rather than broader issue of fees charged to ISPs vs.
> End-users or the types of services that ARIN should provide to each
> class of clients, did not support the specific proposal itself. Based on
> community feedback, we would suggest the broader issues be considered by
> ARIN, as part of a review of services."
>
> The AC is continuing to work on:
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to
> Specified Recipients)
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in
> end-user IPv4 policy
>    Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated
> need for IPv4 transfers
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for
> Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
>
> The AC abandoned 2015-8. Anyone dissatisfied with this decision may
> initiate a petition. The deadline to begin a petition will be five
> business days after the AC's draft meeting minutes are published. For
> more information on starting and participating in petitions, see PDP
> Petitions at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html
>
> Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:26:08 -0500
> From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove
>         transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
> Message-ID: <5679A3D0.1060009 at arin.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11
> Remove transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
>
> On 17 December 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) recommended
> ARIN-2015-11 for adoption, making it a Recommended Draft Policy.
>
> ARIN-2015-11 is below and can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_11.html
>
> You are encouraged to discuss Draft Policy 2015-11 on the PPML prior to
> its presentation at the next ARIN Public Policy Consultation. Both the
> discussion on the list and at the meeting will be used by the ARIN
> Advisory Council to determine the community consensus for adopting this
> as policy.
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
> ## * ##
>
>
> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11
> Remove transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
>
> AC's assessment of conformance with the Principles of Internet Number
> Resource Policy:
>
> ARIN 2015-11 contributes to fair and impartial number resource
> administration by removing from the NRPM text that has become
> inoperative since the depletion of the IPv4 free pool in September 2015,
> thereby avoiding confusion among people applying for 8.3 or 8.4
> transfers. This proposal is technically sound, in that the removal of
> the text in question does not create any contradictions or loopholes in
> the application of policies that still matter. The proposal was
> supported by some community members on PPML and at the ARIN meeting in
> Montreal, and did not generate any opposition.
>
> Date: 23 September 2015
>
> Problem Statement:
>
> The current policies in NRPM sections 8.3, and 8.4 include language
> which is in effect "until exhaustion." As ARIN is no longer able to
> fulfil IPv4 requests (per 01 July 2015 press release
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html), exhaustion
> has effectively occurred. This proposal serves to remove the outdated
> language from the NRPM.
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Remove sections of the NRPM which were only affective until IPv4 pool
> exhaustion occurred, as follows:
>
> Section 8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region:
> - Remove entirely the second bullet which reads "The source entity will
> be ineligible to receive any further IPv4 address allocations or
> assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a transfer
> approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space, whichever occurs
> first."
>
> Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients:
> - Remove entirely the third bullet which reads "Source entities within
> the ARIN region will not be eligible to receive any further IPv4 address
> allocations or assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a
> transfer approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space,
> whichever occurs first."
>
> Comments:
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>
> #####
>
> ARIN STAFF & LEGAL ASSESSMENT
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11
> REMOVE TRANSFER LANGUAGE WHICH ONLY APPLIED PRE-EXHAUSTION OF IPV4 POOL
>
>
> Date of Assessment: 22 October 2015
>
> ___
> 1. Summary (Staff Understanding)
>
> This proposal calls for the removal of language in 8.3 and 8.4 of NRPM
> that sets a condition on the amount of time that must pass before the
> source of an 8.3 or 8.4 transfer may request additional IPv4 address
> space as a recipient.
>
> ___
> 2. Comments
>
> A. ARIN Staff Comments
>
> * Since ARIN staff considers the depletion of the IPv4 address space as
> a single, one-time, event that has already occurred on September 24,
> 2015, the subject language no longer applies to new IPv4 recipient
> requests going forward. As of September 24, 2015, ARIN staff no longer
> applies a 12-month lock-out to organizations requesting to receive IPv4
> who have previously been the source of an IPv4 allocation/assignment
> through an 8.3 or 8.4 transfer.
>
> * ARIN staff considers the removal of policy language to have no effect
> on processing of requests; it appears to be purely removal of
> inoperative policy text.
>
> * ARIN staff notes that both 8.3 and 8.4 have language that prevents
> organizations from being a source in an approved 8.3 or 8.4 transfer if
> they have been a recipient of IPv4 address space in the 12 months prior,
> and this language is presently operative and would remain so even if the
> proposal change is made.
>
> * This policy could be implemented as written.
>
> B. ARIN General Counsel ? Legal Assessment
>
> No material legal issues.
>
> ___
> 3. Resource Impact
> This policy would have minimal resource impact from an implementation
> aspect. It is estimated that implementation would occur within 3 months
> after ratification by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The following would be
> needed in order to implement:
>
> * Updated guidelines and internal procedures
> * Staff training
>
> ___
> 4. Proposal / Draft Policy Text Assessed
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11
>
> Problem statement:
>
> The current policies in NRPM sections 8.3, and 8.4 include language
> which is in effect "until exhaustion." As ARIN is no longer able to
> fulfil IPv4 requests (per 01 July 2015 press release
> https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html), exhaustion
> has effectively occurred. This proposal serves to remove the outdated
> language from the NRPM.
>
> Policy statement:
>
> Remove sections of the NRPM which were only affective until IPv4 pool
> exhaustion occurred, as follows:
>
> Section 8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region:
> - Remove entirely the second bullet which reads "The source entity will
> be ineligible to receive any further IPv4 address allocations or
> assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a transfer
> approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space, whichever occurs
> first."
>
> Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients:
> - Remove entirely the third bullet which reads "Source entities within
> the ARIN region will not be eligible to receive any further IPv4 address
> allocations or assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a
> transfer approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space,
> whichever occurs first."
>
> END
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:45:23 +0000
> From: David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com>
> To: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December
>         2015
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> Following the excellent example that Scott Leibrand has done over the
> years, I wish to convey my objections over the abandonment of 2015-8, which
> would allow End-users to SWIP.
>
> Year after year, and issue after issue, John Curran tells us "this is the
> way we are doing it; if you want us to change, go propose a policy".
>
> That's exactly what happened with 2015-8.
>
> The issue is complex because of the billing issues (most of the
> justification for the original ISP fee schedule was because of SWIP) and
> the existence of the dichotomy between ISPs and EUs.
>
> But the proposal is sound, in my opinion.  It introduces a policy
> requirement to force ARIN to change how it runs its software.  There's no
> wiggle room when a policy like this is passed.  The community speaks, the
> staff carries it out.
>
> I acknowledge that there was not tremendous support at the first public
> meeting for 2015-8, but I think that is insufficient cause to abandon it.
> We should discuss it further.
>
> It should not be abdicated to the services WG which is not an elected body.
>
> David
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile<https://aka.ms/qtex0l>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM -0800, "ARIN" <info at arin.net<mailto:
> info at arin.net>> wrote:
>
> In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN
> Advisory Council (AC) met on 17 December 2015.
>
> Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and
> meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC
> recommended it for adoption (to be posted separately for discussion as a
> Recommended Draft Policy):
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only
> applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool
>
> The AC abandoned the following:
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
>
> The AC provided the following statement, "The ARIN AC has voted to
> abandon draft proposal ARIN-2015-8. Although a number of participants at
> ARIN 36 and on the PPML indicated support for investigation of greater
> harmonization of the services provided by ARIN to ISPs and End-Users,
> this specific proposal had no substantial community
> support. In fact, those who addressed themselves to the specific
> proposal, rather than broader issue of fees charged to ISPs vs.
> End-users or the types of services that ARIN should provide to each
> class of clients, did not support the specific proposal itself. Based on
> community feedback, we would suggest the broader issues be considered by
> ARIN, as part of a review of services."
>
> The AC is continuing to work on:
>
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to
> Specified Recipients)
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in
> end-user IPv4 policy
>    Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated
> need for IPv4 transfers
>    Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for
> Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
>
> The AC abandoned 2015-8. Anyone dissatisfied with this decision may
> initiate a petition. The deadline to begin a petition will be five
> business days after the AC's draft meeting minutes are published. For
> more information on starting and participating in petitions, see PDP
> Petitions at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html
>
> Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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