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1. Weekly posting summary for <a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a> (Thomas Narten)<br>
2. Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015 (ARIN)<br>
3. Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer<br>
language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool (ARIN)<br>
4. Re: Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015<br>
(David Huberman)<br>
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:53:02 -0500<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:25:42 -0500<br>
From: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5679A3B6.8020202@arin.net">5679A3B6.8020202@arin.net</a>><br>
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In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN<br>
Advisory Council (AC) met on 17 December 2015.<br>
<br>
Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and<br>
meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC<br>
recommended it for adoption (to be posted separately for discussion as a<br>
Recommended Draft Policy):<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only<br>
applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool<br>
<br>
The AC abandoned the following:<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users<br>
<br>
The AC provided the following statement, "The ARIN AC has voted to<br>
abandon draft proposal ARIN-2015-8. Although a number of participants at<br>
ARIN 36 and on the PPML indicated support for investigation of greater<br>
harmonization of the services provided by ARIN to ISPs and End-Users,<br>
this specific proposal had no substantial community<br>
support. In fact, those who addressed themselves to the specific<br>
proposal, rather than broader issue of fees charged to ISPs vs.<br>
End-users or the types of services that ARIN should provide to each<br>
class of clients, did not support the specific proposal itself. Based on<br>
community feedback, we would suggest the broader issues be considered by<br>
ARIN, as part of a review of services."<br>
<br>
The AC is continuing to work on:<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to<br>
Specified Recipients)<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in<br>
end-user IPv4 policy<br>
Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated<br>
need for IPv4 transfers<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for<br>
Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<br>
<br>
The AC abandoned 2015-8. Anyone dissatisfied with this decision may<br>
initiate a petition. The deadline to begin a petition will be five<br>
business days after the AC's draft meeting minutes are published. For<br>
more information on starting and participating in petitions, see PDP<br>
Petitions at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html</a><br>
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Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Communications and Member Services<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:26:08 -0500<br>
From: ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove<br>
transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5679A3D0.1060009@arin.net">5679A3D0.1060009@arin.net</a>><br>
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Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11<br>
Remove transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool<br>
<br>
On 17 December 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) recommended<br>
ARIN-2015-11 for adoption, making it a Recommended Draft Policy.<br>
<br>
ARIN-2015-11 is below and can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_11.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_11.html</a><br>
<br>
You are encouraged to discuss Draft Policy 2015-11 on the PPML prior to<br>
its presentation at the next ARIN Public Policy Consultation. Both the<br>
discussion on the list and at the meeting will be used by the ARIN<br>
Advisory Council to determine the community consensus for adopting this<br>
as policy.<br>
<br>
The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br>
<br>
Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Communications and Member Services<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
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## * ##<br>
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<br>
Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11<br>
Remove transfer language which only applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool<br>
<br>
AC's assessment of conformance with the Principles of Internet Number<br>
Resource Policy:<br>
<br>
ARIN 2015-11 contributes to fair and impartial number resource<br>
administration by removing from the NRPM text that has become<br>
inoperative since the depletion of the IPv4 free pool in September 2015,<br>
thereby avoiding confusion among people applying for 8.3 or 8.4<br>
transfers. This proposal is technically sound, in that the removal of<br>
the text in question does not create any contradictions or loopholes in<br>
the application of policies that still matter. The proposal was<br>
supported by some community members on PPML and at the ARIN meeting in<br>
Montreal, and did not generate any opposition.<br>
<br>
Date: 23 September 2015<br>
<br>
Problem Statement:<br>
<br>
The current policies in NRPM sections 8.3, and 8.4 include language<br>
which is in effect "until exhaustion." As ARIN is no longer able to<br>
fulfil IPv4 requests (per 01 July 2015 press release<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html</a>), exhaustion<br>
has effectively occurred. This proposal serves to remove the outdated<br>
language from the NRPM.<br>
<br>
Policy statement:<br>
<br>
Remove sections of the NRPM which were only affective until IPv4 pool<br>
exhaustion occurred, as follows:<br>
<br>
Section 8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region:<br>
- Remove entirely the second bullet which reads "The source entity will<br>
be ineligible to receive any further IPv4 address allocations or<br>
assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a transfer<br>
approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space, whichever occurs<br>
first."<br>
<br>
Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients:<br>
- Remove entirely the third bullet which reads "Source entities within<br>
the ARIN region will not be eligible to receive any further IPv4 address<br>
allocations or assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a<br>
transfer approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space,<br>
whichever occurs first."<br>
<br>
Comments:<br>
Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
<br>
#####<br>
<br>
ARIN STAFF & LEGAL ASSESSMENT<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11<br>
REMOVE TRANSFER LANGUAGE WHICH ONLY APPLIED PRE-EXHAUSTION OF IPV4 POOL<br>
<br>
<br>
Date of Assessment: 22 October 2015<br>
<br>
___<br>
1. Summary (Staff Understanding)<br>
<br>
This proposal calls for the removal of language in 8.3 and 8.4 of NRPM<br>
that sets a condition on the amount of time that must pass before the<br>
source of an 8.3 or 8.4 transfer may request additional IPv4 address<br>
space as a recipient.<br>
<br>
___<br>
2. Comments<br>
<br>
A. ARIN Staff Comments<br>
<br>
* Since ARIN staff considers the depletion of the IPv4 address space as<br>
a single, one-time, event that has already occurred on September 24,<br>
2015, the subject language no longer applies to new IPv4 recipient<br>
requests going forward. As of September 24, 2015, ARIN staff no longer<br>
applies a 12-month lock-out to organizations requesting to receive IPv4<br>
who have previously been the source of an IPv4 allocation/assignment<br>
through an 8.3 or 8.4 transfer.<br>
<br>
* ARIN staff considers the removal of policy language to have no effect<br>
on processing of requests; it appears to be purely removal of<br>
inoperative policy text.<br>
<br>
* ARIN staff notes that both 8.3 and 8.4 have language that prevents<br>
organizations from being a source in an approved 8.3 or 8.4 transfer if<br>
they have been a recipient of IPv4 address space in the 12 months prior,<br>
and this language is presently operative and would remain so even if the<br>
proposal change is made.<br>
<br>
* This policy could be implemented as written.<br>
<br>
B. ARIN General Counsel ? Legal Assessment<br>
<br>
No material legal issues.<br>
<br>
___<br>
3. Resource Impact<br>
This policy would have minimal resource impact from an implementation<br>
aspect. It is estimated that implementation would occur within 3 months<br>
after ratification by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The following would be<br>
needed in order to implement:<br>
<br>
* Updated guidelines and internal procedures<br>
* Staff training<br>
<br>
___<br>
4. Proposal / Draft Policy Text Assessed<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11<br>
<br>
Problem statement:<br>
<br>
The current policies in NRPM sections 8.3, and 8.4 include language<br>
which is in effect "until exhaustion." As ARIN is no longer able to<br>
fulfil IPv4 requests (per 01 July 2015 press release<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/about_us/media/releases/20150701.html</a>), exhaustion<br>
has effectively occurred. This proposal serves to remove the outdated<br>
language from the NRPM.<br>
<br>
Policy statement:<br>
<br>
Remove sections of the NRPM which were only affective until IPv4 pool<br>
exhaustion occurred, as follows:<br>
<br>
Section 8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region:<br>
- Remove entirely the second bullet which reads "The source entity will<br>
be ineligible to receive any further IPv4 address allocations or<br>
assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a transfer<br>
approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space, whichever occurs<br>
first."<br>
<br>
Section 8.4 Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients:<br>
- Remove entirely the third bullet which reads "Source entities within<br>
the ARIN region will not be eligible to receive any further IPv4 address<br>
allocations or assignments from ARIN for a period of 12 months after a<br>
transfer approval, or until the exhaustion of ARIN's IPv4 space,<br>
whichever occurs first."<br>
<br>
END<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:45:23 +0000<br>
From: David Huberman <<a href="mailto:David.Huberman@microsoft.com">David.Huberman@microsoft.com</a>><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December<br>
2015<br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:1201B0375D8898EC.7462094A-98BD-4F8E-B9E5-0F8B5445F115@mail.outlook.com">1201B0375D8898EC.7462094A-98BD-4F8E-B9E5-0F8B5445F115@mail.outlook.com</a>><br>
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Following the excellent example that Scott Leibrand has done over the years, I wish to convey my objections over the abandonment of 2015-8, which would allow End-users to SWIP.<br>
<br>
Year after year, and issue after issue, John Curran tells us "this is the way we are doing it; if you want us to change, go propose a policy".<br>
<br>
That's exactly what happened with 2015-8.<br>
<br>
The issue is complex because of the billing issues (most of the justification for the original ISP fee schedule was because of SWIP) and the existence of the dichotomy between ISPs and EUs.<br>
<br>
But the proposal is sound, in my opinion. It introduces a policy requirement to force ARIN to change how it runs its software. There's no wiggle room when a policy like this is passed. The community speaks, the staff carries it out.<br>
<br>
I acknowledge that there was not tremendous support at the first public meeting for 2015-8, but I think that is insufficient cause to abandon it. We should discuss it further.<br>
<br>
It should not be abdicated to the services WG which is not an elected body.<br>
<br>
David<br>
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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM -0800, "ARIN" <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN<br>
Advisory Council (AC) met on 17 December 2015.<br>
<br>
Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and<br>
meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC<br>
recommended it for adoption (to be posted separately for discussion as a<br>
Recommended Draft Policy):<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only<br>
applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool<br>
<br>
The AC abandoned the following:<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users<br>
<br>
The AC provided the following statement, "The ARIN AC has voted to<br>
abandon draft proposal ARIN-2015-8. Although a number of participants at<br>
ARIN 36 and on the PPML indicated support for investigation of greater<br>
harmonization of the services provided by ARIN to ISPs and End-Users,<br>
this specific proposal had no substantial community<br>
support. In fact, those who addressed themselves to the specific<br>
proposal, rather than broader issue of fees charged to ISPs vs.<br>
End-users or the types of services that ARIN should provide to each<br>
class of clients, did not support the specific proposal itself. Based on<br>
community feedback, we would suggest the broader issues be considered by<br>
ARIN, as part of a review of services."<br>
<br>
The AC is continuing to work on:<br>
<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to<br>
Specified Recipients)<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in<br>
end-user IPv4 policy<br>
Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated<br>
need for IPv4 transfers<br>
Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for<br>
Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks<br>
<br>
The AC abandoned 2015-8. Anyone dissatisfied with this decision may<br>
initiate a petition. The deadline to begin a petition will be five<br>
business days after the AC's draft meeting minutes are published. For<br>
more information on starting and participating in petitions, see PDP<br>
Petitions at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html</a><br>
<br>
Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html</a><br>
<br>
The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:<br>
<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Communications and Member Services<br>
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br>
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