[arin-ppml] An interesting policy question

[Lu Heng]

Owen:

You do not need to reply me in each list and while only in ARIN, the answer
seems reasonable.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> WHile the RIR does not need to be notified, it will effectively be
> notified when
> the WHOIS records are updated to reflect location B, assuming that the
> entire
> block is moved to location B.
>
> Owen
>
> > On Dec 3, 2015, at 06:40 , John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> >
> > Lu -
> >
> > Bill and Jason’s remarks fairly reflect current policy - if you have a
> specific request
> > that you need clarification with, please contact the Registration
> Services Helpdesk
> > at ARIN.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > /John
> >
> >> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:34 AM, h.lu at anytimechinese.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Sorry for the wording ripe, the question was intended for Arin policy,
> so under Arin current policy, does two example raised considered invalid
> the need?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 3 Dec 2015, at 3:26 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One clarification on Bill's email.
> >>>
> >>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
> >>>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
> >>>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
> >>>> more addresses.
> >>>
> >>> If the IP addresses are used outside of the ARIN service region, but
> >>> part of a globally contagious network that exists in part in the ARIN
> >>> service region and the covering aggregate is announced from within the
> >>> ARIN service region (also announcing the aggregate and / or more
> >>> specific outside of the ARIN service region is acceptable), the the
> >>> addresses can be considered utilized (assuming they meet ARIN's
> >>> definition of in use).
> >>>
> >>> If the IPs are for servers in a data center that is a stub network
> >>> which is not contagious with a network in the ARIN service region then
> >>> those IPs would not count as in use.  If you total utilization is
> >>> below 80% you would not qualify for more IP space.
> >>>
> >>> Bill, and my comments are based an multiple interactions with ARIN and
> >>> Public Policy Meeting discussions surrounding "out of region use".
> >>>
> >>> If you truely want to know what if ARIN staff would consider a use
> >>> case as justified, you should directly engage the ARIN staff.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.arin.net/contact_us.html
> >>>
> >>> __Jason
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us>
> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Company A provides 100 customer dedicated server service at location
> A, Ripe
> >>>>> makes an assignment for 100 IP for his infrastructure, if, under
> condition
> >>>>> that no other factor was changed, Company A moved his infrastructure
> to
> >>>>> location B, but still providing same service to same customer, does
> the
> >>>>> company's action need to be notified  to RIR?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Company A provides web hosting service, but any casted in 3
> location, and
> >>>>> has provided the evidence of 3 location to the RIR during the time
> the
> >>>>> company getting valid assignment, then A decided to cut 3 location
> to 2
> >>>>> location, does this invalid original assignment and need to be
> notified to
> >>>>> RIR?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Lu,
> >>>>
> >>>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
> >>>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
> >>>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
> >>>> more addresses.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bill Herrin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
> >>>> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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Kind regards.
Lu
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