[arin-ppml] An interesting policy question

[John Curran]

Lu - 

Bill and Jason’s remarks fairly reflect current policy - if you have a specific request 
that you need clarification with, please contact the Registration Services Helpdesk
at ARIN.

Thanks!
/John

> On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:34 AM, h.lu at anytimechinese.com wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Sorry for the wording ripe, the question was intended for Arin policy, so under Arin current policy, does two example raised considered invalid the need?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2015, at 3:26 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
>> 
>> One clarification on Bill's email.
>> 
>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
>>> 
>>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
>>> 
>>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
>>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
>>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
>>> more addresses.
>> 
>> If the IP addresses are used outside of the ARIN service region, but
>> part of a globally contagious network that exists in part in the ARIN
>> service region and the covering aggregate is announced from within the
>> ARIN service region (also announcing the aggregate and / or more
>> specific outside of the ARIN service region is acceptable), the the
>> addresses can be considered utilized (assuming they meet ARIN's
>> definition of in use).
>> 
>> If the IPs are for servers in a data center that is a stub network
>> which is not contagious with a network in the ARIN service region then
>> those IPs would not count as in use.  If you total utilization is
>> below 80% you would not qualify for more IP space.
>> 
>> Bill, and my comments are based an multiple interactions with ARIN and
>> Public Policy Meeting discussions surrounding "out of region use".
>> 
>> If you truely want to know what if ARIN staff would consider a use
>> case as justified, you should directly engage the ARIN staff.
>> 
>> https://www.arin.net/contact_us.html
>> 
>> __Jason
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>>> Company A provides 100 customer dedicated server service at location A, Ripe
>>>> makes an assignment for 100 IP for his infrastructure, if, under condition
>>>> that no other factor was changed, Company A moved his infrastructure to
>>>> location B, but still providing same service to same customer, does the
>>>> company's action need to be notified  to RIR?
>>>> 
>>>> Company A provides web hosting service, but any casted in 3 location, and
>>>> has provided the evidence of 3 location to the RIR during the time the
>>>> company getting valid assignment, then A decided to cut 3 location to 2
>>>> location, does this invalid original assignment and need to be notified to
>>>> RIR?
>>> 
>>> Hi Lu,
>>> 
>>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
>>> 
>>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
>>> 
>>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
>>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
>>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
>>> more addresses.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill Herrin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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