[arin-ppml] An interesting policy question

[h.lu at anytimechinese.com]

Hi

Sorry for the wording ripe, the question was intended for Arin policy, so under Arin current policy, does two example raised considered invalid the need?



> On 3 Dec 2015, at 3:26 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
> 
> One clarification on Bill's email.
> 
>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
>> 
>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
>> 
>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
>> more addresses.
> 
> If the IP addresses are used outside of the ARIN service region, but
> part of a globally contagious network that exists in part in the ARIN
> service region and the covering aggregate is announced from within the
> ARIN service region (also announcing the aggregate and / or more
> specific outside of the ARIN service region is acceptable), the the
> addresses can be considered utilized (assuming they meet ARIN's
> definition of in use).
> 
> If the IPs are for servers in a data center that is a stub network
> which is not contagious with a network in the ARIN service region then
> those IPs would not count as in use.  If you total utilization is
> below 80% you would not qualify for more IP space.
> 
> Bill, and my comments are based an multiple interactions with ARIN and
> Public Policy Meeting discussions surrounding "out of region use".
> 
> If you truely want to know what if ARIN staff would consider a use
> case as justified, you should directly engage the ARIN staff.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/contact_us.html
> 
> __Jason
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>> Company A provides 100 customer dedicated server service at location A, Ripe
>>> makes an assignment for 100 IP for his infrastructure, if, under condition
>>> that no other factor was changed, Company A moved his infrastructure to
>>> location B, but still providing same service to same customer, does the
>>> company's action need to be notified  to RIR?
>>> 
>>> Company A provides web hosting service, but any casted in 3 location, and
>>> has provided the evidence of 3 location to the RIR during the time the
>>> company getting valid assignment, then A decided to cut 3 location to 2
>>> location, does this invalid original assignment and need to be notified to
>>> RIR?
>> 
>> Hi Lu,
>> 
>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
>> 
>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
>> 
>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
>> more addresses.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>> 
>> 
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>> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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