[arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Aug 13 17:40:41 EDT 2015


As an ISP, you are billed on your total address holdings, not individual blocks.

So, a /22 and 4 /24s would be billed identically.

ISPs do not pay separate annual fees for ASNs. There is a one time fee for each ASN
the same as end-users (currently $500).

In your example, 4 /24s, a /40, and an ASN, you would pay the greater of $500 (IPv4 /22)
or $500 (IPv6 /40) if you could somehow get a /40.

However, under current policy, the smallest block available to an ISP directly from ARIN
is a /36. A /36 is $1,000 annually, so if you got a /36, your fees would go up to $1,000.
The smallest recommended (and default minimum) is /32, which is currently $2,000.

Owen

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 21:42 , Paul <pmcnary at cameron.net> wrote:
> 
> We are an ISP.
> Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks for fees.
> Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we would get allocated?
> So a /22 (or 4 /24's)  plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be $500 annually?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:
>> For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500 annually.
>> (this includes ASNs and membership vote)
>> 
>> adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category and does not change the annual fee.
>> 
>> An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual fee of $2,000.  (a $1,500 increase).
>> (If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no increase in fees)
>> 
>> 
>> End sites are billed differently 
>> End sites pay $100 per resource.  
>> one /22 costs $100.
>> two /24s cost $200.
>> one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually.
>> 
>> There is an additional one time fee for new resources based on the size of the resource.
>> 
>> So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is $200.
>> 
>> There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single block that is a /40 or smaller
>> (this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and ASN) 
>> 
>> The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for a total of $300.
>> 
>> ___Jason
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com <mailto:David.Huberman at microsoft.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Josh, <>
>>  
>> If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them $1,000 a year in a subscription fee.  That covers your AS number, and your /21, and it gives you membership to vote.
>> 
>>  
>> If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will come at no extra charge.  There will be no registration fee, and your annual subscription fee will not change.
>> 
>>  
>> From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend that.  We recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 – and deploying that.   Unfortunately, that will cause your annual subscription fee with ARIN to double to $2,000.  You still won’t pay a registration fee for getting the /32, but when your next annual bill is sent, it will be for $2,000 rather than $1,000.
>> 
>>  
>> Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get more IPv4 addresses for your new products and customers is via the IPv4 transfer market, and that’s going to cost many, many times more than ARIN charges.  Many tens of thousands of dollars, probably, depending on what you want to get.   You may wish to balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4 addresses in the market with what revenue opportunities those addresses represent, then factor in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those numbers work better for you.  Just a suggestion, and sorry if I’m overstepping.
>> 
>>  
>> David
>> 
>>  
>> David R Huberman
>> Principal, Global IP Addressing
>> 
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> 
>>  
>> From:  <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of josh at rowenetworks.com <mailto:josh at rowenetworks.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM
>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
>> 
>>  
>> Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring another ISP, I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about requesting additional ip space as the acquisition will take more IP addresses then what we have left out of our current /21 allotment.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion procedures/protocols it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to get enough blocks from the free pool.
>> 
>> If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to get a free ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition to ipv6 faster as I need more IPs for my customers, infrastructure, etc. 
>> 
>> I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my customer ip space since there would be little or no cost involved, now the problem that remains is the equipment compatibility and third party support of ipv6.
>> 
>> Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr? 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Josh Rowe 
>> 
>> On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter < <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>rcarpen at network1.net <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinen sethm at rollernet.us <mailto:sethm at rollernet.us> wrote:
>>  On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:
>>  Hello,
>> 
>>  I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
>>  eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
>>  Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
>>  Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
>>  each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
>>  Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
>>  spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in
>>  abundance - and this could potentially help slo
>>  w the
>> exhaustion of IPv4.
>>  
>>  
>>  I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I
>>  don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has
>>  this changed?
>> No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites.
>> 
>> The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
>> 
>> -Randy
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