[arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

Paul pmcnary at cameron.net
Wed Aug 12 00:42:07 EDT 2015


We are an ISP.
Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks for fees.
Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we would get 
allocated?
So a /22 (or 4 /24's)  plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be $500 
annually?

Thanks



On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:
> For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500 annually.
> (this includes ASNs and membership vote)
>
> adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category and does not 
> change the annual fee.
>
> An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual fee of $2,000. 
>  (a $1,500 increase).
> (If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no increase in 
> fees)
>
>
> End sites are billed differently
> End sites pay $100 per resource.
> one /22 costs $100.
> two /24s cost $200.
> one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually.
>
> There is an additional one time fee for new resources based on the 
> size of the resource.
>
> So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is $200.
>
> There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single block that is 
> a /40 or smaller
> (this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and ASN)
>
> The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for a total of $300.
>
> ___Jason
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David Huberman 
> <David.Huberman at microsoft.com <mailto:David.Huberman at microsoft.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Josh,
>
>     If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them
>     $1,000 a year in a subscription fee. That covers your AS number,
>     and your /21, and it gives you membership to vote.
>
>     If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will
>     come at no extra charge.  There will be no registration fee, and
>     your annual subscription fee will not change.
>
>     From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend
>     that.  We recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 –
>     and deploying that.   Unfortunately, that will cause your annual
>     subscription fee with ARIN to double to $2,000.  You still won’t
>     pay a registration fee for getting the /32, but when your next
>     annual bill is sent, it will be for $2,000 rather than $1,000.
>
>     Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get
>     more IPv4 addresses for your new products and customers is via the
>     IPv4 transfer market, and that’s going to cost many, many times
>     more than ARIN charges.  Many tens of thousands of dollars,
>     probably, depending on what you want to get.   You may wish to
>     balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4 addresses in the market
>     with what revenue opportunities those addresses represent, then
>     factor in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those
>     numbers work better for you.  Just a suggestion, and sorry if I’m
>     overstepping.
>
>     David
>
>     *David R Huberman*
>     Principal, Global IP Addressing
>
>     Microsoft Corporation
>
>     *From:*arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>     <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>
>     [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>     <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] *On Behalf Of
>     *josh at rowenetworks.com <mailto:josh at rowenetworks.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM
>     *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
>
>     Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring
>     another ISP, I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about
>     requesting additional ip space as the acquisition will take more
>     IP addresses then what we have left out of our current /21 allotment.
>
>
>
>     I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion
>     procedures/protocols it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to
>     get enough blocks from the free pool.
>
>     If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to
>     get a free ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition
>     to ipv6 faster as I need more IPs for my customers,
>     infrastructure, etc.
>
>     I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my
>     customer ip space since there would be little or no cost involved,
>     now the problem that remains is the equipment compatibility and
>     third party support of ipv6.
>
>     Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr?
>
>     Best Regards,
>     Josh Rowe
>
>     On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter
>     <rcarpen at network1.net <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>> wrote:
>
>         ----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinensethm at rollernet.us <mailto:sethm at rollernet.us>  wrote:
>
>               On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:
>
>                   Hello,
>
>                   I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
>                   eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
>                   Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
>                   Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
>                   each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
>                   Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
>                   spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in
>                   abundance - and this could potentially help slo
>
>                   w the
>
>                 exhaustion of IPv4.
>
>               
>               
>               I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I
>               don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has
>               this changed?
>
>         No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites.
>
>         The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
>
>         -Randy
>
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