[arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
Paul
pmcnary at cameron.net
Wed Aug 12 00:42:07 EDT 2015
We are an ISP.
Will 4 different non-contiguous blocks be counted as 1 or 4 blocks for fees.
Or is the block count the total of all combined /24's that we would get
allocated?
So a /22 (or 4 /24's) plus a /40 plus ASN for an ISP would be $500
annually?
Thanks
On 8/11/2015 11:22 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:
> For ISPs a /22 is billed at XX-small at $500 annually.
> (this includes ASNs and membership vote)
>
> adding up to a /40 keeps the ISP in the XX-small category and does not
> change the annual fee.
>
> An IPv4 /32 bumps the ISP up to a small with an annual fee of $2,000.
> (a $1,500 increase).
> (If the ISP already had more than a /20 there would be no increase in
> fees)
>
>
> End sites are billed differently
> End sites pay $100 per resource.
> one /22 costs $100.
> two /24s cost $200.
> one /20, two /23s, and two ASNs cost $500 annually.
>
> There is an additional one time fee for new resources based on the
> size of the resource.
>
> So an end user with one /22 and one ASN the annual fee is $200.
>
> There is a one time initial fee of of $500 for a single block that is
> a /40 or smaller
> (this is in addition to the $200 annual fee for IPv4 and ASN)
>
> The following year the annual fee will go up by $100 for a total of $300.
>
> ___Jason
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:35 PM, David Huberman
> <David.Huberman at microsoft.com <mailto:David.Huberman at microsoft.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them
> $1,000 a year in a subscription fee. That covers your AS number,
> and your /21, and it gives you membership to vote.
>
> If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will
> come at no extra charge. There will be no registration fee, and
> your annual subscription fee will not change.
>
> From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend
> that. We recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 –
> and deploying that. Unfortunately, that will cause your annual
> subscription fee with ARIN to double to $2,000. You still won’t
> pay a registration fee for getting the /32, but when your next
> annual bill is sent, it will be for $2,000 rather than $1,000.
>
> Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get
> more IPv4 addresses for your new products and customers is via the
> IPv4 transfer market, and that’s going to cost many, many times
> more than ARIN charges. Many tens of thousands of dollars,
> probably, depending on what you want to get. You may wish to
> balance the cost of obtaining more IPv4 addresses in the market
> with what revenue opportunities those addresses represent, then
> factor in how you can (or cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those
> numbers work better for you. Just a suggestion, and sorry if I’m
> overstepping.
>
> David
>
> *David R Huberman*
> Principal, Global IP Addressing
>
> Microsoft Corporation
>
> *From:*arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] *On Behalf Of
> *josh at rowenetworks.com <mailto:josh at rowenetworks.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM
> *To:* arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
>
> Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring
> another ISP, I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about
> requesting additional ip space as the acquisition will take more
> IP addresses then what we have left out of our current /21 allotment.
>
>
>
> I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion
> procedures/protocols it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to
> get enough blocks from the free pool.
>
> If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to
> get a free ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition
> to ipv6 faster as I need more IPs for my customers,
> infrastructure, etc.
>
> I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my
> customer ip space since there would be little or no cost involved,
> now the problem that remains is the equipment compatibility and
> third party support of ipv6.
>
> Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr?
>
> Best Regards,
> Josh Rowe
>
> On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter
> <rcarpen at network1.net <mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>> wrote:
>
> ----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinensethm at rollernet.us <mailto:sethm at rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
> eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
> Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
> Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
> each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
> Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
> spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly in
> abundance - and this could potentially help slo
>
> w the
>
> exhaustion of IPv4.
>
>
>
> I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and I
> don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask. Has
> this changed?
>
> No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6. Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have multiple sites.
>
> The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional $100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
>
> -Randy
>
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